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The Fate Of Gilliam's DOCTOR PARNASSUS...

i hope so by The Dude Abides	Feb 4th, 2008 11:19:15 PM
gilliam deserves a break
FIRST by mah04j	Feb 4th, 2008 11:19:21 PM
first time poster...owned
AWESOME! by mukhtabi	Feb 4th, 2008 11:22:17 PM
I'm glad to see the news is right and this film is going forward. I've enjoyed everything that Gilliam has made to greater and lesser degrees. Heck I own Tideland, that's such a difficult little film.
anyways by mah04j	Feb 4th, 2008 11:22:48 PM
does nobody remember brothers grimm and the order? why must the public feel the need to fondle somebody's career just because they died. Sure, Ledger was good in dogtown and decent in brokeback (though it's kind of suspect to hook up with a female co-star in a gay cowboy movie, almost like you're trying to convince yourself at that point) and will kick ass in Dark Knight, and I guess it sucks that the rest of the actors in Dr. Parnassus got jewed out of a paycheck, but stop the pity-fest already. Awwww, too soon?
Good to Hear. by MMacKK	Feb 4th, 2008 11:25:22 PM
I'm sure he'd be the last person who'd have wanted to see another Gilliam film fall to pieces.
Do they even need the "magic mirror" excuse? by JackIsLost	Feb 4th, 2008 11:28:30 PM
Why not just have the character be played by one actor in some scenes and (inexplicably) another actor in the rest. Luis Bunuel did this very effectively and I think the weirdness of it would suit Gilliam very well...
it's still a stupid idea by Maniaq	Feb 4th, 2008 11:30:08 PM
LET HIM REST IN PEACE!
The show must go on! by MisterE	Feb 4th, 2008 11:43:27 PM
Gilliam should film the rest of the movie with actors wearing Heath Ledger masks. It could give the project a weird Silence-of-the-Lambs kinda vibe.
WHY NOT A SHOWER SCENE REVEAL THAT "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" by Pound Sand	Feb 4th, 2008 11:44:13 PM

Poor Terry can't catch a break.. by bob oblaw	Feb 4th, 2008 11:48:45 PM
Love him nevertheless..
a talkback about an imbd listing by krycek08	Feb 4th, 2008 11:57:19 PM
wow what great "news"
krycek08 by BadMrWonka	Feb 5th, 2008 12:09:54 AM
the imdb reference was important, and only 2 sentences of the entire thing. did you even read it? this is important information about the fate of a movie by a fascinating director, whose main star has just died. how is this unimportant? fuck, I hate people that just complain for the sake of complaining. you are a fart in the elevator of the world.
Terry Fucking Gilliam and Tom Fucking Waits by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 5th, 2008 12:12:44 AM
"This films looks lame" Fuck you Jett, go cuddle you're batman body sized pillow while jerking off to catwoman.
BREAKING: Brett Ratner to continue Ledger's role by Karl Hungus	Feb 5th, 2008 12:16:11 AM
After his breakthrough role as his douchebag self on Entourage, you know Ratner must have thought about it.
Sounds Dumb by Queefer Bukkake	Feb 5th, 2008 12:26:38 AM
Gilliam hasn't made a decent film in quite a while, anyway. This one might as well be fucked up too.
Guess what? I don't care by HExTeXly	Feb 5th, 2008 12:27:56 AM
If Ledger was still alive, I doubt we'd all care about this film.
enough about the mirror already... by wilsonfisk89	Feb 5th, 2008 12:37:55 AM
EVERY single article about Dr.P mentions this 'mirror' stuff, we get it. Also, WB should stick to marketing TDK w Ledger's Joker, as before, and not cave to any misguided dissuasions
Why does everybody just see what isn't important in the talkback by Milou	Feb 5th, 2008 01:18:58 AM
imdb listing, mirror stuff... DOn't you see that we have a source within the production saying that the production is moving forward ? Don't you see we'll have an official website later TODAY ??? Great news as far as I'm concerned... I'm a Gilliam fan, he's one of the greatest filmakers alive... His last, Tideland, was a masterpiece and this one, Parnassus, seems to concentrate every part of his universe and imagination... Can't wait !
hey I'm a Gilliam fan too! by Maniaq	Feb 5th, 2008 02:08:47 AM
Surely he would have learnt the HARD lesson from his doomed La Mancha project - know when to walk away, know when to run! Sure it would be nice if dreams could come true and somehow Ledger's incomplete performance be saved by some sort of Movie Magic and the end result be a great film - BUT THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN The best anyone could possibly hope for is a film that doesn't suck - much - let's not kid ourselves here. There is a time to dream and hope for the best - that time has passed - it is now time to move on...
Yeah, gotta give Gilliam credit... by Happyfat73	Feb 5th, 2008 02:11:25 AM
He's always battling against adversity to get his films finished. It's almost like he's cursed. But he does it anyway. Gilliam's a trooper!
That was posted everywhere days ago by Wonderboys	Feb 5th, 2008 02:35:31 AM
Nice job getting late, as always
No that wasn't posted everywhere days ago by Milou	Feb 5th, 2008 02:38:17 AM
That's the first time I read that there will be an official website as soon as today. And anyway it's always good to have several sources to corroborate an information.
Sure, the info about the website is new by Wonderboys	Feb 5th, 2008 02:52:37 AM
But anything else is old as fuck
I assume you're true... by Milou	Feb 5th, 2008 03:01:26 AM
... But tell this to those at imdb who claimed for weeks that the project is shut down and who have erased Heath Ledger's name from the cast list.
This would suck by Steve Rogers	Feb 5th, 2008 03:22:40 AM
Every time a new actor emerged in the role you would be yanked straight out of the movie and you would automatically start thinking about Ledger's death, the attendant stories, etc. Basically anything else other than the story of the film you are watching. It couldn't help but be a fuck up.
Yeah, not to join in.. by Tourist	Feb 5th, 2008 05:02:20 AM
...On the shitting on Gililams parade...But man, way to fuck a corpse. He's dead. Let it go or start again. This just has a generally sickening feel about it.
Give Gilliam credit? by Tourist	Feb 5th, 2008 05:08:50 AM
Brothers Grimm was a fucking ungodly awful piece of shit. He could blame the studio for that. But who does he blame for the ungodly awful piece of shit that was Tideland? Great book, great cast and crew, creative control...Stinking pile of dutch angled lazy shit. Sorry man, but Gilliams boat saild a long, long, long, long time ago.
Just so you know... by Tourist	Feb 5th, 2008 05:11:40 AM
...I'm not being unkind, I really thought Tideland was the worst movie I ever forced myself to sit through, simply because I respected the directors previous output. That changed once I caught up with Luc Bessons Angel A or How I Learned To Stop Caring About My Movies And Turned To Producing Piles Of Shit To Finance My Fucking Of Super Models.
Huh? Fuck a corpse? by Scapulawings	Feb 5th, 2008 05:12:41 AM
Way to fuck a corpse? You don't think Ledger would want his work to go on? Plus it's easy for you to say they should wrap it up when you have zero time, energy, emotion or money invested in the film. Ledger worked as an actor, I'm pretty sure he would want his final performance to be realized and he would probably want his friend Gilliam to finish his movie. It's not like Gilliam is profiting on his death.
On an unrelated note... by Tourist	Feb 5th, 2008 05:14:05 AM
...Is Besson with his Europa factory like the new John Hughes or something? He's written like, 4 film around the same arab taxi driver joke, and 3 films about kids who jump off roofs. Lets not forget Jet Li or Jason Statham kicking stuff.
Just do a Ledger doll with claymation and go-motion! by ricarleite	Feb 5th, 2008 05:14:47 AM
There! Terry Gilliam must have pissed Graham Chapman at some point during the early 70s, because he is definitively haunting every single one of his productions and bringing amazingly bad luck. OR maybe this is due to him denying his American citizenship, the FBI had a huge list on him, and he is not allowed back in the USA for more than 30 days a year (almost like Polanski!). He should stick to making paper-cut animations I guess.
If you have Ledger footage you use Ledger footage by Dazzler69	Feb 5th, 2008 06:34:52 AM
It's that simple. It will run out eventually. It's not like he is going to turn into tupac (crappy rappy) here.
It will go on by Blueberry	Feb 5th, 2008 06:34:59 AM
I just had a first hand confirmation the movie will go on with the multiple actors gimmick.
I'm confused by these "reports" by kafka07	Feb 5th, 2008 08:02:01 AM
Seriously, one says they will use someone like Johnny Depp. Another says no replacement actors, it will be CGI. Whatever, just keep the production going.
mah04j speaks the truth! by Redbox	Feb 5th, 2008 08:47:17 AM
Hey buddy, I just wanted to tell you I'm proud of you. You stand up for yourself, and tell the truth about Ledger, even when no one else wants to know the truth: That Ledger is a part of a large community, your community, the community of the Gay Cowboy Jew. God Bless you! Keep fighting!
New Title... by MisterE	Feb 5th, 2008 09:19:51 AM
Weekend at Ledgers!
that site is a dead link by supermarch	Feb 5th, 2008 10:09:42 AM
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They should just have... by Osmosis Jones	Feb 5th, 2008 10:11:58 AM
...Gilliam's dentist walk around for the rest of the movie holding a cape over his face.
Hey, The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu had to go on too... by tonagan	Feb 5th, 2008 10:58:51 AM

Yes, the cape worked in Plan 9, why not now? by SkeletonParty	Feb 5th, 2008 11:19:00 AM
Plus, cape technology has advanced so much in recent years.
The official parnassus website is now open !!! by Milou	Feb 5th, 2008 11:56:10 AM
http://www.doctorparnassus.com Just a still there yet (but the first official) but it's enough to show that the movie is going on and that Ledger will be in it !
so they're lying? by oisin5199	Feb 5th, 2008 01:11:52 PM
Both the producers and Heath himself said he finished his work on the film, including ADR. There's enough drama with this story without creating more.
He finished so he could work on other films by performingmonkey	Feb 5th, 2008 03:16:25 PM
It only takes, what, a couple of days to complete ADR? And they shot for like fucking forever so I doubt they'll need reshoots. And not all pickup shooting would involve The Joker, would it? And if he WAS needed, his stand-in could be used for something like an added establishing shot.
What Indian Burial Ground.... by Gunslinger1919	Feb 5th, 2008 04:07:26 PM
Did Terry Gilliam piss on in a past life? Seriously, this guy has the luck of a dead man.... --G
Not Bad Luck, Just True Grit by bswise	Feb 5th, 2008 04:30:46 PM
So, maybe Gilliam likes the challenge himself with difficult projects that Hollywood studios don't always want to make? Look, the guys passed on the opportunity to direct films like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Enemy Mine, Braveheart, and, god help us, Forrest Gump. JK Rowling even wanted him to direct the first Haarry Potter, but the studios wanted Chris Columbus fluff (which is actually fine). He's spent months of his life trying to bring you a filmable 12-hour Watchmen script. Chronically underfunded and always under fire, he hammers away on projects for years, just out of inspiration. Not sure why there's so much hatred here or why you wouldn't want to at least give this a chance at being good. So, all you naysayers better watch out, or The Pirates of The Crimson Permanent Assurance will be coming for you.
mah04j by Digby_Higgins	Feb 5th, 2008 05:12:04 PM
One good thing about Heath Ledger--he wasn't a smart-mouthed turd whose claim to fame is being a talkbacker on a site for worshiping movie characters. Hopefully someone in your family will die tonight and someone can be flippant about it for you tomorrow to give you a taste of what you're dishing out. Probably you wouldn't care if someone in your family died anyway, though, would you, dummy?
i hope they pull it off by themagus	Feb 5th, 2008 06:00:17 PM
i really do
Fuck! This needs to happen! by Proman1984	Feb 6th, 2008 12:27:14 AM
WE NEED TO SEE IT!
Branerobot by DannyOcean01	Feb 6th, 2008 08:16:01 AM
Fuck off. You're the worst kind of troll.
Ruled an accidental overdose. by ZeroCorpse	Feb 6th, 2008 11:36:21 AM
He was on several prescribed medications at once, and they interacted and killed him. So the mean people can stop saying it was suicide and he deserved it. The hopeful people can stop babbling about how they'll miss him in heaven. The cynics can all continue to say it doesn't matter because he didn't know any of us, personally, and wouldn't mourn us if we died. But he didn't kill himself intentionally. He was ill, and couldn't sleep, and just took drugs that weren't supposed to be taken together.
Using multiple actors to play the same role is a bad idea by GimpInMyPants	Feb 6th, 2008 11:58:45 AM
There's no way Gilliam can save his movie unless he reshoots.
Die Hard Dracula by mrbong	Feb 6th, 2008 12:46:12 PM
in Die Hard Dracula, didn't they keep changing the "actor/s" of the titular character? granted the film was utter, utter shit, but this messing about with the cast did not in itself create that circumstance.
Ledger was taken out of the official site by ricarleite	Feb 6th, 2008 01:01:06 PM
Check out http://www.doctorparnassus.com /. I say it's either re-cast, or the production is shut down and Gilliam will release the footage as a tribute documentary, kinda like Orson Welles' It's All True or the Man from La Mancha.
At the end Kevin Bacon comes out of the shower by kikuchiyoboy	Feb 6th, 2008 03:02:59 PM
showing his wang. Anyways, I hope it works and doesn't pull us out of the film. I can imagine people thinking "was this planned or is this actually how it's suppose to happen?" Instead of being taken by the story it'll just be an intrigue. But it all depends on the film.
I don't remember that in Die Hard Dracula by ThreeOranges	Feb 7th, 2008 12:18:59 PM
I remember when he shot fireballs and lightning, though.

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