Jenny gets shot and supposedly dies... well it looked like she got shot in the heart, and they already told you she had two!?

The Hath were part fish... so why didnt the friendly one survive the quicksand which was mostly water?!

the whole 7 days thing as well, I mean FFS, nice twist but pulled off badly.

I think there could have been a nice compromise, like she could have been drawn there by her own TARDIS, and been the off spring of a future incarnation. It would have worked equally well, and needed little explanation. Since it seems the Doctor's HAND and TARDIS took them there.

Or better yet, not explain it at all and just when they are leaving, he realizes she is her daughter.

I'm not a completely old school Doctor Who fan, but I was expecting more, since this series has been very good so far.

Oh, and is Billie Piper really in the Christmas special? It's bad enough that Rose is being shoehorned back into the show after her character arc had been completed. Continuing into the Christmas special and, presumably, beyond would be too much. It's beginning to seem that RTD has fallen in love with his own lore in a fanboyish way. Having a showrunner who is a fanboy of his own work can only be bad for the show.

Jusr replace misplaced sense of tradition with a pathological need for revenge, coupled with a martyr like self pity and you pretty much have the situation in a nut shell.

weakest moment of the episode had to be the silly quicksand scene. poor freema.

Anywaaaay...

Good episode-ish, with a wildly varying Donna (I fucking hate when writers completely change the characters from episode to episode. This Donna is NOTHING like the Donna previously, and it's not due to character development either). Martha is wasted - AGAIN! - and proves that this show has no clue what to do with an intelligent female of a non-Caucasian persuasion. Why keep bringing Martha back when they do NOTHING with her? Why all the love for Queen of the Chavs Rose Tyler? Fucking kill Rose off and have done with her. Her story was doine by the end of Season 2.

The Hath were great, but glariong plothole ahoy: WHY DIDN'T THE TARDIS TRANSLATE?!?!? No reason given whatsoever, just to suit the story. A decent writer, or showrunner, would have spotted that logic snafu, but as with the Star Wars prequels, the answer to plot inconsistencies on new Who seems to be "fuck it, it's just kids sci-fi and therefore not worthy of decent plotting". Which is lazy, fucking delporable, and is the reason why the current team aren't fit to run new Who. It's like giving the keys to your family Roll-Royce to your inbred pet-fucking retarded cousin who lives in a tree house out in the sticks, and who thinks entertainment involves M-80s and frogs' arses.

you may have picked up from this that I wasn't madly impressed by this episode. You'd be right. Hope to see Jenny again - great character, very engaging, and Georgia is absolutely lovely - but to be honest, I'm starting to think the best thing would be for the Beeb to grow some fucking bollocks and kill the doctor off at the end of his 12th regeneration. It's painfully obvious they have fuck all idea what to do with him, since they're now rehashing old Star Trek movie plots for new Who eps. Dear oh dear...

Strabo: "RTD has become the George Lucas of Doctor Who. He's too busy writing his own fan-wankery for two-year-olds to actually do anything worthwhile with the series." Although this isn't a RTD ep, my sentiments exactly: we could have had some fantastic connections to the glorious decades-long backstory of Doctor Who, but no, bring out the manga chav AGAIN every fucking season. You know, 'cos the 11-year old girlies are the most important demographic for this landmark sci-fi series. There ARE other characters in the doctor's past before Rose, y'know.

Stick a fork in Dr Who: it's past done.

BBC, grow some fucking balls. And in the words of Harrison Ford, "let's give some weight to this thing!". Show some respect for the Last Son of Gallifrey!!!

Agree in that it wasnt the greatest ep of new who, but my main issue is with the use of the daughter. It was a cheap emotional trick and his speech to her at the end was eye-rollingly bad. The hath weren't a bad enemy though.

It's a shame that it's off for a year next year bar the specials, but you'd like to hope the rest will do it good. Even a run like season one with Eccleston (which wasn't perfect) would be preferable. Who isn't about effects or grand spectacle - a story and a focus on the doctors perspective on the world drives the show. Backflipping Buffy-alikes aren't it.

Tennant is still great in the role, and even (as another pointed out) Donna/Tate outshone Martha this week by being written in a slightly more realistic light.

The Hath couldn't be translated because they weren't speaking audibly. They were communicating with a bubble-code sort of speech. Just like the TARDIS coudn't translate sign language, it can't translate things like Morse code, and I suspect the Hath communication was based on the percussion and frequency of bubbles.

I can only assume the general was old because the first batch of people generated by the device was flawed, and weren't meant to live more than a couple weeks-- They were made with accelerated decrepitude. Either that, or he was made that way in the first place, just like the others were all different ages-- For some reason, the machine made an older person so as to seem authoritarian.

Why don't we get 4 part stories anymore? Is it because you'd only get three stories in a season that way?

One-episode contained stories rarely work. Blink being the exception. A lot of the best stories so far, in my opinion, have been the two/three parters. Human Nature/Family Blood, Utopia/Drums/Time Lord, Impossible/Satan.

Oh, and Doctors Daughter was hot, and good.... but Sally Sparrow is still a better developed character, with better potential for stories.

Sparrow and Nightingale for series 5! You know it makes sense.

The argument that 'ooh its not aimed at you so your daft for picking holes' is weak. A good well written story is a good well written story that moves beyond whatever audience or demographic they're aiming to flog toys to.

Agree with those who say that the potential was there in this ep for a decent two parter.

I agree with all of you who say this story would have been better as a two-parter, and that it would be great to have more two-parters in general. Often the stories do feel too rushed. Whereas something like "Family Of Blood/Human Nature" was brilliant because the story had plenty of room to breathe.

Not only that but cliffhangers are cool.

Still, at least I don't have to justify why I actually quite liked McCoy and Ace the companion. 'Cos, y'know, "bad Who is better than no Who"...

Absolutely senseless.

You realise I wasn't seriously having a go at you. So please don't go turning serious either. Like you say, too many people on these pages are.

I'm going to be at home this Saturday night (I think), so I may try to get a review posted. If I do then I'm probably going to 'borrow' the perfect line.

You'll notice, all the things I just complained about - and thousands of Who fans complained about back in the day when the movie came out - are now staples of RTD's new Who. Proving that (a) all his best ideas are actually other people's, and (b) we Who fans are a bunch of fickle bitches, and what we hated yesterday, we'll love tomorrow. So, bring on the lesbians, to rectify this gay agenda ;D