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Sony Getting Ready To Spin SPIDER-MAN 4 (and 5)??

Being First... by Darth Kosher	May 16th, 2008 10:14:08 AM
Is overrated.
Clone Saga by fiester	May 16th, 2008 10:14:29 AM
It's gotta be.
First. by Desmondo	May 16th, 2008 10:14:37 AM
Spiderman 3 wasn't bad enough?
First by Chadley BeBay	May 16th, 2008 10:15:05 AM
Yeah!
Oh the shame.. by Desmondo	May 16th, 2008 10:15:12 AM
Of posting "First" third.
Should leave it a trilogy by Sithdan	May 16th, 2008 10:15:46 AM
Spider-Man 3 should have closed the book on this franchise.
I was wondering when we were gonna hear this by slone13	May 16th, 2008 10:15:58 AM
I wouldn't mind another director getting a shot, but the question is whether Tobey will return. Sony will throw him boatrloads of money...
I would have been first by SKULL1138	May 16th, 2008 10:15:59 AM
But AICN logged me out, and would not let me log back in, even though Ive been here all afternoon. Crap
No Raimi, dammit! by Durendal	May 16th, 2008 10:16:25 AM
He really fucked up with Spiderman 3. I think he's had his run with the franchise. Let someone else direct it.
Special appearance by Kirstin Dunst's nipples. by gridbug	May 16th, 2008 10:17:12 AM
C'mon, somebody had to say it.
nooooooooooooooo...... by colinjbooth	May 16th, 2008 10:18:02 AM
Why, flog that dead donkey no more!!!
Why? Is there a reason for 4 and 5? Nope. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 16th, 2008 10:19:39 AM

it better be a fresh take on it then by just pillow talk	May 16th, 2008 10:20:30 AM
Completely different director and actors. Spidey 3 has tainted all involved...
Stop Teasing With Dylan Baker! by MasterBateman	May 16th, 2008 10:20:36 AM
And use him as the villain god damnit!
Think we could get a hotter MJ this time around? by Darth Sticky	May 16th, 2008 10:21:58 AM
Kirsten Dunst never fit that role!
Spiderman 3 had an incredible opening, BUT by beastie	May 16th, 2008 10:22:57 AM
they MIGHT need some good word of mouth on the next one(s). I don't hang out with geeks in real life, so I've heard from the general public (my cooler than me friends) that they also hated 3. Hating on Spiderman 3 wasn't limited to only geeks, it hit the rest of the public pretty hard too. It opened well because Spiderman 2 was so good. So, with 4 and 5, Sony is gonna need to make sure the script is good, test screen the hell out of it and allow leaked reviews. Word of mouth is important for this one.
NINETH!! by cloudrider`	May 16th, 2008 10:22:59 AM
or maybe by the time i post this, i'm fifteenth or something. just three words: no. raimi. please.
and history repeats by thinboyslim.	May 16th, 2008 10:23:09 AM
its all happened before, for a while it looks like people have got the hang of making good comic book films, original superman and batman films, then come the sequels upon sequels upon sequels until nobody cares anymore and then in about 10 years time we get Spiderman Returns with all new studio execs with new ideas and fresh talent.
for a second... by Whitemouse	May 16th, 2008 10:24:07 AM
I thought it read "James VanDerBeek"...I was almost looking forward to Spidey fighting Pacey with large expositional dialogue
Raimi and SM by SKULL1138	May 16th, 2008 10:24:56 AM
Worst superhero movies ever made, with probably the best superhero ever. Only Raimi can do this, the guy is shite. SM 2 was ok only, the first 1 and the 3rd were utterly terrible, I mean how do you mess up the Venom arc...Get Raimim and he will sort you out Sony. They need to re start this franchise again a la Batman, and get it done right i.e. the Villains dont die at end of each movie, and Norman Osbourne does not become Green Goblin until movie 3 or 4. Oh and he doesnt look like a fucking Power Ranger either. Shiteness personified Raimi should never direct again for the mistakes he made, I mean how to depict SM going evil (ish)in the black suit...I know, have him walk like JT and look like a total fanny for 10 minutes. Well done Sam Raimi raped my childhood worse than anything Lucas ever did, fucking little suit wearing dweeb, I dont give a shit about Evil Dead, Spiderman movies were rank rotten.
My ideas for the films: by THT3000	May 16th, 2008 10:25:01 AM
Use Kraven (and possibly another villain) in 4 and base the 5th on Kraven's Last Hunt and replace Vermin with Lizard. Foolproof. Also it would work perfectly to have the fourth film start of with e.g. a gang of thugs pulling a heist and the Shocker as one of them. He's not good enough for his own film but good enough for a scene.
My idea for Spider-Man for a while... by Cory849	May 16th, 2008 10:25:08 AM
Is that they should do a second three story arc and call it Trilogy 2. The other idea I had was completely re-casting all the roles for the second trilogy. Start fresh with a whole new cast so you can save some money. Otherwise they'll invariably end up with a situation where one actor is looking too old and another drops out and needs to be re-cast yadda yadda yadda. Still though, I'm all over new Spider-man movies. Spiderman rules. And there are tons of good stories they could still do - like Kraven's last hunt. And they can still kill Gwen Stacey off. They could bring venom back for a decent episode and bring in Carnage. Believe me, there's Lots of drama left to find in Spider-man.
Tobey and Dunst both fucking sucked by TheLastCleric	May 16th, 2008 10:26:03 AM
Where was playful, smart ass Peter Parker who annoyed those he fought with goofy puns even while unleashing a serious ass kicking? And Dunst was shite for that role from day one; Mary Jane is supposed to the uber hot girl next door. Dunst plays the role like she's stoned.
Spidey Fan by Salamander	May 16th, 2008 10:27:13 AM
As a spidey fan I liked parts of 3 but will admit the venom parts were crappy and could have been done better as he is a cool villain. Maybe a new director is a good choice or someone who likes the material. If back to back i'd love to see Aunt May finding out after some big scrap seeing petey all beat up and that he is spidey and at the end of the film embracing what he does and perhaps killing her off at the end. Sinister 6 would be cool especially if avengers flick in the works.... but need to establish them probably first. Lizard for me even Kraven I guess isnt too bad in the back ground hunting him down as a secondary story. Rhino / Electro - not sure if they could hold the film as the only badass more henchmen then main guys. Get the king pin in there too.
Spider-man 3 was so bad by brandon25	May 16th, 2008 10:30:19 AM
that this would have to be a reboot for me to get interested.
Could it get more dis-jointed than 3? by Baron Karza	May 16th, 2008 10:30:28 AM
The magic is gone right? Would it be 'dark' Spider Man? Or 'camp' Spider Man? What?
Tobes is too by Series7	May 16th, 2008 10:31:11 AM
Cool to be Spiderman anymore. Hey sorry it made you a big star and now everyone knows you and you are set for 3 lives. Yeah it must be really tough to deal with. Fucking pussy. Why can't all famous people learn from the Shatner. You gotta fucking embrace it. If you act like you are above the role that you are going to be most remembered for your a douche. I don't care about artistic integrety. You think Christopher Reeves sat around complaing that he had to do another Superman? Or that Micheal Keaton probably doesn't show up on set every time there is a new Batman being made, JUST IN CASE? Thats why I think I am starting to like Ironman more and more, because Robert Downy is eating it up, and probably will keep doing so until they decide to stop. Tobey always acted like a bitch about getting the role of a lifetime. Same with Kirten Dust, she should be happy for even being famous in the first place.
No reason for 4 and 5? by waggy	May 16th, 2008 10:33:07 AM
I think the first 3 making over $2 billion not including merchandise is reason enough. Seriously, if you don't think there's gonna be more Spider-man movies you just don't know what drives this industry (yes, "industry"). All we can do is hope they're good.
Cory by SKULL1138	May 16th, 2008 10:33:21 AM
There is, but they made so many mistakes already, they really should just wait another 8 - 10 years and start again, with Chris Nolan as director once he has finished the Story arc on the far superior Batman series. I doubt even if reviews are good I could go and see this at cinema, maybe if a completely different cast and director it might work, but better to start again IMO. Or else we just get bad villains that are worse than those coming before in increasingly cash seeking movies, that have no quality. First 5 minutes should be Peter waking up from a dream where he looked like a dick (Toby Maguire) and nonoe of it has happened, then it does again, but properly this time.
Teenage Spider-man is the way to go damnit by David Cloverfield	May 16th, 2008 10:35:16 AM
This is the only property when they're casting too old. Energetic, funny, teen Spidey. Go Ultimate on this one. But even if they keep the continuity get a new director. These movies were interesting, but they weren't really fun.
Raimi is busy indefinitely by jj9126	May 16th, 2008 10:36:35 AM
He's already signed to reboot Paramount's Jack Ryan franchise (and will direct at least the first installment). No Spidey for him.
if it's like part 3, I'm there by Spandau Belly	May 16th, 2008 10:39:25 AM
I'm up for more dancing, absurd plot contrivances, pointless gimmicks, Bryce Dallas Howard, and story overstuffing. But if it's more slow moving pacifistic stuff that makes sense like those first two then count me out.
The problem with the franchise by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 10:39:53 AM
summed up in one quote : "This story is about a girl..."
Weren't really fun?, Cloverfield? by Steve Rogers	May 16th, 2008 10:41:09 AM
Spider-Man 2 wasn't fun?!? Eat cock and choke on it. Spidey 2 is probably the best superhero flick ever made (yeah, better than Superman The Movie, fuck that turning the world back bullshit). Spidey 3 is derailed by too many villains and the fact that everything relies on a a ridiculous amount of coincidence, but I blame that on Sony letting Raimi and his brother Ivan actually write the story, as opposed to the earlier films where Alvin Sargeant cobbled the scripts together from drafts turned in by, you know, actual writers. Nepotism sucks!
I've heard the deal was that... by greenstyle92	May 16th, 2008 10:41:20 AM
Sony has a "use it or lose it" deal with the Spider-man license. They have certain time frame to make another Spider-man sequel, and if they don't in a certain amount of time they lose the licenses and Marvel can renegotiate with who ever they want. And at this point, they'd just love to get there hands on it for there own "Marvel Studios." that's a coup sony is gonna fight against hard.
Spidey 3 was on the level of Batman Forever by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	May 16th, 2008 10:42:42 AM
dangerously teetering towards Batman & Robin. new actors and new director plz. keep the continuity of the first 2 (and as far as 3 concerned, just allude to the fact he's already faced Sandman and Venom before if they bring either back). Spidey's world has no dearth of villains.
Please, no more Rami Spider-Man by Trazadone	May 16th, 2008 10:43:42 AM
He just ruined the franchise with his awful movies (okay, Spider-Man 2 was good but the other 2 were atrocious).
"RICHARD PRYOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by The Marquis de Side 3	May 16th, 2008 10:44:44 AM
"If only he were still alive, dammit, THAT would totally sell the sequel! Didn't it do wonders for SUPERMAN? Well who else is around? Dave Chappelle? Get him on the phone! Maybe he can be a sidekick or sumthin." -- big time movie producer, Hollywood, CA
Steve Zahn for Shocker! by William Landis	May 16th, 2008 10:45:13 AM
Yeah, he could do it.
FUCK "one story, two movies" sequels! by Osmosis Jones	May 16th, 2008 10:45:34 AM
Has this idea EVER worked? Pirates, Matrix...it's always a joylessly frenetic part two followed by a ludicrously overstuffed part three. Just two two complelely seperate fucking sequels!
Hey, I thought the Spidey films were unfun too. by greenstyle92	May 16th, 2008 10:45:43 AM
I was saying that back in the days of Spideys one and two, but back then people like Steve rogers ruled the roost and kept forcing "Best Superhero movies ever" down my throat. Listen, the problems have always been there but are coming to light: Spidey himself isn't funny or talky enough, the villains are light, and the films get way, way, WAY too bogged down the the Mary Jane love story. And I don't get the love for part 2. I think of part 2 and all I can remember about it was Peter sitting alone in his little apartment softly crying "Mary Jane." That's the whole movie as far as I'm concerned.
Set it in space by Lost Jarv	May 16th, 2008 10:49:16 AM
Seriously, it's the golden rule for a successful part 4.
yes.... by j2talk	May 16th, 2008 10:50:22 AM
alright, hopefully this will make up for the mess that was spiderman 3....a dance nuber, comee on-the film jumped the shark right there....
I want a funny Spider-Man! by superfleish76	May 16th, 2008 10:51:03 AM
Take a clue from Iron Man, but put the witty banter in during the battles. I would love a good old fashioned crime story, too. Have him running around the city trying to stop some major crime from going down! You can have super-powered thugs like Shocker or Scorpion, but we don't need detailed origins of each. Spider-Man himself will draw the people in, so you can afford to do a better written, smaller scale story.
Batman Forever? Surely sir you jest. by knowthyself	May 16th, 2008 10:51:13 AM
Come on thats just an over reaction to part 3. Part 3 is fine. Had the same humor and tone of the rest of the franchise. People who hated part 3 I truly wonder if you've seen 1 and 2. The "rain drops" scene is just as stupid as the dance scene in part 3.
Crap films by kwisatzhaderach	May 16th, 2008 10:52:18 AM
Sorry, but they are. The FX work in Spidey 3 was horrible. Jim Cameron should have got his version made.
The trailer for SP3 was better than the movie. by StudioPlant69	May 16th, 2008 10:52:23 AM
So many things were bad...the dancing, the tacked on inclusion of Venom, horrible acting by Topher Grace, the 20-30 minutes that should have been edited out, weak script, etc. It still will never come close to the utter shitfest that was Batman and Robin. Worst movie ever.
I think they should keep the continuity but by beastie	May 16th, 2008 10:53:00 AM
maybe do a SLIGHT re-boot. Make it just a little bit grittier, a little bit less special effects focused and (this last suggestion might show my lack of comic knowledge) I wanna see Carnage.
Dwayne Johnson as Kraven the Hunter by Big Jim	May 16th, 2008 10:53:01 AM
And Larry David as the Vulture. Best part of Spider-Man 3 was Sandman's first scene.
I remember when you guys fuckin LOVED Spiderman. by knowthyself	May 16th, 2008 10:53:37 AM
So in two years I'm sure you'll be hating Iron Man as well. Fucking posers.
by j2talk	May 16th, 2008 10:53:50 AM
they've set things up to go on and on... bring on Kurt Conners and the Black Cat (the landlords daughter) ....they just need to do it right ...one Villian per movie or do it like a bond film-one then open credits then the main villian
Anyone know how to do italics in the TBs? by beastie	May 16th, 2008 10:55:33 AM
I want to emphasize certain words without making it seem like I'm yelling them. Lately, to emphasize a word, I've been capitalizing it. I'd like some italics so I don't seem so damn angry. Fuck it. Here's my italics attempt. Spiderman 4
Movie 5 is supposed to be a reboot! by PirateEmery	May 16th, 2008 10:55:47 AM
Isn't that the Superhero movie law? Movie 3 is bad, Movie 4 is godawful enough that people forget about the franchise, and Movie 5 is the awesome reboot?
Didn't work. by beastie	May 16th, 2008 10:55:54 AM

Robocop still better than all other hero films- by General Crom	May 16th, 2008 10:55:56 AM
Rated R, not beholden to established design parameters-the design draws influence from iron man,cyclops etc-but doesn't have to be any of them so it is allowed to be greater.He's not a comic character but he IS despite himself- I could go on and on but without any digital effects and just a costume and peter weller the movie trounces all comers.Of course he rips off judge dredd's dialogue but you could say its an homage
Lucas confirlms Indy 5 starring LeBouf-no joke by wilsonfisk89	May 16th, 2008 10:58:29 AM
Huffington Post and a couple other outlets have it. Says Harrison would take Connery-like role. -Weak!
Why would they not do more Spidey movies? by BenBraddock	May 16th, 2008 10:59:29 AM
Come on! It's Hollywood guys! Why leave it as a trilogy, it's not like these were three parts of one story and there a lot more tales to tell (and millions to make). OK, so part 3 stunk the cinema out; is that reason to never do another? No that's reason to do a great fourth part and get the series back on track! 1 and 2 were really as good as could be expected, in that they pretty much 'got' the whole Peter Parker thing, were pretty entertaining, with more or less excellent production values. We're kind of spoilt now with the superhero movies, in that we're used to high-class studio fare. When I was a kid I had the TV Spidey and TV Hulk, and was thrilled just seeing them on screen. I would have died from over-excitement if I could have seen the stuff we get served to us on a pretty regular basis now! That's not to say we shouldn't moan when the studios serve up turkey - Spiderman 3, FF 1 &2, Ghost Rider etc - but come on! I'm ready to love Spider-man 4, 5 and 6. Just make them good. Raimi should pass this time and Tobey is too old now (Parker should be a teen). New director and new cast, solid script , don't be greedy with the villains... and let's go!
Please: A Big Role for the Slumlord's Daughter. by cookylamoo	May 16th, 2008 11:00:30 AM
She's waited long enough.
Spiedy 3 left a bad taste in my mouth by lex romero	May 16th, 2008 11:01:55 AM
To the extent that i can't feel excited for 4 and 5, even though i love the character. They fucked up the overal spidey story arc too much in 3, with trying to force venom into the already bloated storyline. In my mind i'd always assumed they'd hold off on venom till films 4/5 so they could do a big ass venom story arc with him getting the symbiote in 4 but then venom not turning up properly till 5. 3 should have had sandman and hobgoblin, sandy should have been typical evil self, not sympathetic, we already have hobgoblin to be sympathetic with, we didn't need another smypathetic villian.
Greenstyle 92 nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by crazybubba	May 16th, 2008 11:02:19 AM
Most comic book movies will always suck because the egos of Hollywood directors will always get in the way. They never stay true to the characters because they want to put their own personal stamp on the movie they are always focused on appealing to the masses. The result? A safe milktoast Spiderman who doesn't make a lot of snappy smart ass remarks while he's fighting and a lot of love and romance which slows down and detracts from the movie. You can blame the success of the titantic for that. Yea they should set the next Spiderman in space and he can swing around the planet at a supersonic speed and turn back time.
Spidemo ruined it for me... by PirateEmery	May 16th, 2008 11:03:18 AM
I'm sorry, but the revenge tango destroyed the entire series...
Surprised Marvel not trying to bag back the spider. by Duke_Whittington	May 16th, 2008 11:03:21 AM
Wouldn't that be Marvel-lous?
wilsonfisk89. Wierd. by beastie	May 16th, 2008 11:03:52 AM
I'm all for keeping an open mind, so it might not suck. I bet Spielberg won't direct. But you know, if it does suck, I just won't watch it. Nothing can [i]ruin[/i] Raiders for me. If they were gonna make more Indy movies, though, with little to no Indy, why not do an Abner Ravenwood series?
SPIDEY by ORIONgods	May 16th, 2008 11:04:25 AM
CAMRON FOR ULIMATE SPIDERMAN RAMI SHOULD BE FORCE TO WATCH BATMAN AND RO... CANT SAY THOSE WORDS BUT YOU GET WHAT I MEAN. PS MAKE SPIDEY FUUNY IN THIS ONE
Smoke Monster Loves Kate by thinboyslim.	May 16th, 2008 11:04:52 AM
"no dearth of villains" - are you fucking shitting me?? lets have a look shall we: Absorbing Man Answer Arcade Armada Basilisk Beetle Big Man Big Wheel Black Fox Black Tarantula Boomerang Bullseye Burglar Calypso Cardiac Carnage Carrion Chameleon Commanda Conundrum Crime-Master Crown Cyclone Demogoblin Doctor Doom Doctor Octopus Doctor Octopus II Doppleganger Dragon Man D'Spayre Eel Electro Enforcers Fusion I Fusion II Gaunt (Mendell Stromm) Gibbon Gog Green Goblin (Flash) Green Goblin I Green Goblin II Green Goblin III Green Goblin V Griffin Grim Hunter Grizzly Hammerhead Harrow, Dr. Jonas Headsman High Evolutionary Hobgoblin I Hobgoblin II Human Fly Hydro-Man Jack O' Lantern Jackal Joystick Juggernaut Jury Just A Guy Named Joe Kaine Kangaroo Killer Shrike Kingpin Knight & Fogg Kraven Kraven II Lightmaster Lizard Living Brain Looter Magneto Man Mountain Marko Manwolf Mindworm Mirage Mister Hyde Molten Man Morbius Morlun Mysterio Nightmare Owl Princess Python Professor Power Prowler Psycho-Man Puma Quicksand Ranger Red Skull Rhino Ringer Ringmaster Rocket Racer Rose Sandman Scarecrow Schemer Scorcher Scorpia Scorpion Scream Scrier Shade Shadrac Shathra Shocker Shriek Silvermane Sineater Slyde Smythe, Alistaire Smythe, Spencer Speed Demon Spidercide Spider-Slayers Spot Stegron Stilt-Man Styx & Stone Swarm Tarantula Tarantula II Terrible Tinkerer Thousand, The Tombstone Trapster Traveller, Judas Typeface Ultimate Enforcers Ultimate Doctor Octopus Ultimate Electro Ultimate Green Goblin Ultimate Kingpin Ultimate Kraven Ultron Venom Venom 2099 Vermin Vulture Vulture II Will O' The Wisp Wraith Xandu sure some are crossovers but thats the fun with marvel, then's material up to the eyeballs with every single character, just need to find a good scriptwriter and a director with the basic understandings of bringing comic book characters to life.
James Cameron??? by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:05:01 AM
Did he not want to use a script that was completely disloyal to the source? He cares less about the material he's adapting then Tim Burton does when ever he gets his overrated hands on something that he didn't create. Before Spider-Man we didn't have shit. I was surprised as hell that his costume wasn't made of black rubber or some Matrix shit.
Sounds pretty "rumor-ish" to me... by Ribbons	May 16th, 2008 11:05:51 AM
...let's see, a huge Internet meme right before the release of Spider-Man 3 was that the story ended with the origin of Venom "arced" into Spider-Man 4, where he would be the main villain, much to the delight and spooge of geeks everywhere. So if some clown is looking for a way to 1) create a false rumor that gets a lot of buzz and 2) fuck with people, why not just recycle a rumor from the pre-release discussion of the last film? I'll believe it when I see it. I have a hard time imagining any Spider-Man story "arcing" into anything.
NO MORE RAIMI by iwontwin	May 16th, 2008 11:06:22 AM
Sure the first and the second films were great, adding a much needed layer of depth to Spider-man...but the third was HORRIBLE! Hopefully Venom makes a return, and we see vulture and kraven.
thinboyslim by Ribbons	May 16th, 2008 11:07:00 AM
I think you need to go look up what the word "dearth" means...
Get rid of Raimi and Macguire. by crazybubba	May 16th, 2008 11:07:34 AM
Give some other actors and directors a shot to bring in a new perspective, just not that guy who did the X-Men and the last Superman he sucks.
I agree. No Raimi! by Sledge Hammer	May 16th, 2008 11:09:25 AM
I'm not gonna bash what he's already given us, but we need new blood behind the camera. Raimi seemed positively bored with Spider-Man 3, so give another quality director a shot, and let Raimi get back to hopefully making a new film that he's passionate about again.
Spider-Man is a cultural icon. by AnakinsDiapers	May 16th, 2008 11:09:54 AM
So why the resistance to the idea of more than three films? How many films is this for James Bond now? And though i love Raimi as a filmmaker, please keep him away from anymore Spider-Man. He's said all he had to say about the character. Let another director with a different vision have a go at it.
Another movie we don't need/want by performingmonkey	May 16th, 2008 11:10:42 AM
The studios think shit like this is a guaranteed payday. I honestly wouldn't see the 4th movie, only a rental if the reviews were OK. They WILL recast because the story for Dunst/Maguire is over.
Spidey versus Jason by welsh12uk	May 16th, 2008 11:12:09 AM
Both masked men who are misunderstood by society join together to fight evil errrr maybe Morbius. This shit writes itself!
5 years ago..."OH MY GAWD RAIMI BEST CHOICE" by knowthyself	May 16th, 2008 11:15:25 AM
"WE LOVE MCGUIRE" How fanboys have changed. Most ungrateful people on this earth.
No. No more Venon. by fiester	May 16th, 2008 11:16:30 AM
And no Carnage. It was the foolish inclusion of these fanboy favs that sunk the last flick.
The thing about Spiderman by Series7	May 16th, 2008 11:16:56 AM
Is that females really liked it. And show they kept made them all movies that females would really enjoy. Plus since Kristen Dust is pretty plain/ugly looking most girls don't feel theatened by her. All other comic book movies cast actresses women don't like, and make the love story the least important part of the movie. I am pretty sure every Batman movie would've been just as good without any romantic entanglements. And women don't like Superman as much, because he isn't human like Peter Parker. Parker is the nerd guy all girls say they want to date, but date the douchebag instead.
With 4 villains in 4 and 5 in 5! by ohjeez	May 16th, 2008 11:18:04 AM
cha-ching! lets milk this one dry and then sell a DVD collectors set so idiots will buy the DVDs twice! Featuring a full CG Toby Mcguire!
if you want to blame someone for S3 by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:18:40 AM
Blame Avi Arad.
MY VOTE: MORE DANCE NUMBERS by g-ride9000	May 16th, 2008 11:18:51 AM
Nothing says "comic book" like a good mid 2nd act dance number. Sam Rami's influences are not just horror and chaplin they also include Rodgers and Hammerstien? It's all down hill from here boys.
the villan in #4&5 will be.. by g-ride9000	May 16th, 2008 11:20:46 AM
The studio exec who weasels in giant spiders in to ##4 and Denise Richards as the "new" love interest in ##5.
Nobody cares about the Spidey films anymore by sith_rising	May 16th, 2008 11:21:17 AM
by the time they get to these, Iron Man/Captain America/The Avengers and the new Batmans will steal all the hype. But who knows? Maybe everyone will welcome another Spidey. I'd welcome some more X-Men films. Shit, I'm even game for more Elektra and Daredevil.
You Know Who I Think Could Get This Terrible Comic Book Franchis by fassbinder79	May 16th, 2008 11:21:19 AM
Either Paul Verhoeven or The Hughes Brothers. All three Spiderman films have been seriously flawed and overrated. Its time to let some real directors (non hacks) take a stab at this thing. Raimi hasn't been talented since Darkman. Simple Plan was the last okay film he made. For the Love of the game and the gift are total crap. And the spiderman films haven't been nearly as innovative as what he did with his evil dead series and for less money. Its time he passed the baton over to directors who are still talented and working at the top of their game. Black Book was an incredible return to Verhoeven's Dutch roots and the Hughes Brothers direction of From Hell was brilliant filmmaking. Why not try something different and give one of Marvel's greatest comic book characters the shot in the arm he truly deserves?
Don't Blame Raimi by cookylamoo	May 16th, 2008 11:21:47 AM
Sandman and the Goblin would have been a great film. But the studio just had to have Venom in there too for the toy biz. That's what overloaded and bloated SM3.
it wasnt the inclusion of Venom by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:23:41 AM
that made it bad it was the inclusion of him a long with 2 other villains when he could of easily been in the sequel. I may be in the minority but there is nothing wrong with the character. But Carnage in a feature length movie? That is monstrously stupid. The true product of symbiote overuse and over hype that told Marvel whoever has one will sell money. All he needed was an adamantium skeleton.
Marvel - PLEASE REBOOT by Mosquito March	May 16th, 2008 11:24:18 AM
Raimi, Koepp, Maguire and Dunst totally fucked up those movies. I don't care how many people love those goddamn things - they weren't Spider-Man movies, they were teen angst movies populated with 20-30-year-old actors playing characters who never moved beyond high school emotionally. It was a series of cry-baby break-up movies, featuring occasional cameos by a superhero and some supervillains. Apart from the sequence in the first film where Parker's learning to use his powers, these movies were not fun at all. And Maguire is a wet fucking rag of an actor, with only two facial expressions, who never once projects the personality or wit that the character possesses in the comics. I know that's partly Koepp's fault, but it's the actor's job to inject life into part, whether it's written well or written badly, and Tobey couldn't even do that. He was NOT Peter Parker OR Spider-Man. And, Dunst was not Mary Jane.
actually Ruff by spidercoz	May 16th, 2008 11:25:25 AM
I think Raimi should absorb the blame for 3, he wrote it, and it shows
This could work... by jimmy rabbitte	May 16th, 2008 11:26:44 AM
...all we have to do is pretend that Spidey 3 never existed. Making films, especially action films, is a huge job. Every so often a film ends up a failure, which is what we had with Spidey 3. If this proposed arc for two more films is solid; it can wipe out the bad taste of the last film. These things take over a year between signing up actors and directors, shooting and post-production; by the time Spidey 4 is done it might be 3 or 4 years since the last one. So, by the time it comes out, it will have been so long between films it will feel like a reboot. The key to making it good will be to either keep Sam Raimi or (if they do replace him) go up the ladder and get somebody who is equally talented or more accomplished in action films. Directors who might be able to pull it off: Martin Campbell (Golden Eye and Casino Royale are great Bond films), Paul Greengrass can do action well (Sony would just have to go on set ahead of him and bolt all his cameras down), Ridley Scott would make a great Spiderman film (it'll never happen, but we can dream), John McTiernan in his heyday would've been able to make a great Spidey film (but stuff like The 13th Warrior and Rollerball kind of disqualify him.) Finally the casting is big part of whether it succeeds or not. If they don't manage (or maybe even want) to bring Tobey back, they would be wise not to go the "Brandon Routh Unknown Route", that didn't help make "Superman and the Continental Lift Workout" any kind of success. This would also be a great time to go ahead recast Mary Jane Watson, becuase despite what Dunst thinks the franchise can get along just fine without her.
Spiderman 3... by amano	May 16th, 2008 11:29:00 AM
...was really fucking awful, unless you like bad song and dance numbers. It was Spiderman the musical. I mean what was Raimi thinking having Tobey dance around like that? Was it supposed to be funny? It made me cringe. He looked so fucking awkward with the greased hair and eyeliner. Other things like including sandman in uncle ben's death was ridiculous. To many bad points to mention them all. I liked the 1st although I hated what they did with the green goblin. I liked the 2nd but hate the totally unoriginal formula of introducing the villain and killing them off in the same movie, like everyone's been doing since Tim Burton's Batman. The third was just a turd, plain and simple. At this point it needs a reboot. Call it Amazing Spiderman or something and get all new people. But since they are calling it Spiderman 4 and 5 I guess they are picking up where that piece of shit left off.
shit by Obscura	May 16th, 2008 11:29:17 AM
i loved 1 and 2, hated 3, so i really dont want to see a 4 AND 5 from the same people... they should take a break, let the rights expire, and reboot it as a Marvel Studios project. no origin, just straight into a 25 year old Peter. but that wont happen, sony know that the the series is sinking, so they're gonna bash out 2 films, get a shit load of ticket and dvd sales and then wash their hands of this madness.
I don't want Tobey or Raimi by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:30:12 AM
because Spider-man 3 was all formula that I am tired of. Mary Jane being captured at the end, Spider-man tearing his mask revealing his ID to everyone. Give me a break. Nothing new happened only in Spider-man 3 the nothing new was scripted badly from convenient happenstance to the next. I felt bad For Peter in number 2 in number 3 I wanted to punch him and kick MJ.
Can we please have some more Uncle Ben flashbacks by DarfurOnTheRocks	May 16th, 2008 11:31:05 AM
It is not as if the theme has been played to death already....
i'm not going to see this film by pocketlint59	May 16th, 2008 11:31:47 AM
spiderman 3 was too much of a letdown imo. this feels like the leaping off point where the storyline becomes too nerd-centric and losses it's biggest audience. if they go into space, or there's some stupid time machine present I'm walking out.
get joel schumacher on this immediately! by seabiscuits	May 16th, 2008 11:32:33 AM
call it spiderman and robin!
Raimi is FUCKING AMAZING! by Proman1984	May 16th, 2008 11:32:36 AM
Shit, SM2 owns and so are most his other movies. SM3 was perfectly decent too.
Has there ever been a reason ... by jackofhearts29	May 16th, 2008 11:33:28 AM
for a number 4 and 5 of ANYTHING?
Schumacher would never do it... by jimmy rabbitte	May 16th, 2008 11:33:50 AM
...becuase spiders don't have nipples...
Dear God... by montimer	May 16th, 2008 11:34:41 AM
Avi Arad please buy the fucking rights back from Sony before they can fuck this up even more!!! Seriously. Franchise needs a reboot. Now.
when you idiots get your "reboot" by knowthyself	May 16th, 2008 11:34:53 AM
Directed by Guy Ritchie, starring Peter Gallagher as Spiderman, James Vaderbeek as Carnage and Paris Hilton as Mary Jane. You'll come running back to Raimi and co.
Hopefully 4 and 5 expand on his piano powers by Leopold Scotch	May 16th, 2008 11:35:27 AM
Nothing says "SPIDER" like a sexy solo in a jazz bar. The thing about the third film was it made me not care about seeing another Spidey film. I still think the second one was brilliant though.
Also the symbiote was by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:35:31 AM
worthless. It didn't even change to clothes for him! What was the gimmick that sold him on it besides getting high? Since they decided to give Peter organic webbing there was nothing new there either. And that was a flaw that came from the very start. Honestly did it even enhance Peter's strength? It looked to me like it just stole his, made act like a fruitcake... that was about it.
Spiderman 4 Directed By Alex Proyas by Mr. Profit	May 16th, 2008 11:37:47 AM
Changing "Tubby" Maguire and Kirsten with better looking, better acting actors.
Well if it's going to be 2 films, then bring on the Sinister Six by The Founder	May 16th, 2008 11:38:30 AM
I can see that being a two pic flick.
Ha ha Your asking Avi Arad for something? by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:39:16 AM
All he knows how to do is whore Marvel characters to movie studios not take them back. The reason Venom showed himself in S3 was because he wanted to direct a movie about him. Look it up.
I like the mention of Verhoeven above by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 11:41:45 AM
He's batshit crazy and could probably add an interesting take to the franchise. Here's what Lucas said at Cannes: "I haven't even told Steven or Harrison this," he said. "But I have an idea to make Shia [LeBeouf] the lead character next time and have Harrison [Ford] come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out."
Concerning Sam Raimis Spiderman by Laughing Irishman	May 16th, 2008 11:41:51 AM
Other then the very power rangers feel of the SM Suit and Green Goblin Suit, SM 1 and 2 were pretty damn good movies. SM 3 could have been great. However, it's not Raimi's fault, he was FORCED to use the villians that were used. He was unhappy with what the 'studio' wanted. Raimi was wanting to head in a more Sinister 6 direction with the 3rd installment and was complete cack blacked. So say what you will about the EMO wannabe in SM 3, but don't put the blame on Raimi. A huge problem with the trilogy as has been stated here already was McGuire and Dunst. Tobey and Dunst played Tobey and Dunst for all three movies, with absolutely no character development from the two of them at all. Topher Grace would have been a better SM, and almost anyone with blondish to red hair would have made a more convincing MJ then snaggle toothed Dunst. That's all I got.
Somebody has to stop him.... by AllieJamison	May 16th, 2008 11:44:05 AM
The idea that I'd go see a film where Indy's character is present in a fracking supporting role is just insane. Ford should do new and interesting projects and so should Lucas, goddamn it.
Raimi and Maguire were all wrong... by SmokeFilledTavern	May 16th, 2008 11:44:23 AM
As a SPIDERMAN fan, I just wish they would let it go. The comics haven't been good for years, either.
Paul Verhoeven by Demode	May 16th, 2008 11:45:04 AM
Paul Verhoeven would be a great choice for a new director. Still, I like Raimi and think he could save the series from the mess that was part 3. Also, I really think he should do a "directors cut" of part 3 and edit at least 30 minutes out. That would make alot of people happy.
It'll be a Sinister Six thing by finky089	May 16th, 2008 11:45:49 AM
just wait. You'll see
John Krasinski as Peter Parker by joeelliott	May 16th, 2008 11:46:45 AM
It's the only way to go And The Rock as Kraven is awesome
Spiderman dies in part 4 by joeelliott	May 16th, 2008 11:47:24 AM
only to come back in part 5
Director Announced by Seacor	May 16th, 2008 11:47:36 AM
It's official. Uwe Boll to direct Spider-man 4 and 5.
They couldn't think to do this for the last movie? by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	May 16th, 2008 11:47:49 AM
You gotta be kidding me
Raimi's just as responsible for Spider-Man 3 as anyone by Ribbons	May 16th, 2008 11:47:53 AM
(Some of) You say "the studio" forced him to use Venom in order to sell toys; personally, I don't believe this. I've read the interviews where it's been implied that Avi Arad coaxed him into using Venom, but I don't think anybody "forced" him to do anything. I just don't think he knew what he wanted to do with the story and was glad to be freed from the responsibility of choice. What's more, there was always going to be a third villain anyway, it was just originally going to be the Vulture instead (Ben Kingsley read for the part and everything)... which probably would have been even worse. Either way, regardless of who's call it ultimately was to use Venom, is "the studio" responsible for the awful montage of Peter gyrating down the street and telling his neighbor to go bake him cookies? Were they responsible for the THREE dance numbers, including the insta-"classic" Revenge Jazz Dance? I'm a fan of Raimi's in general and Spider-Man 2 ranks as one of the greatest superhero movies of all time (for me), but you can blame all the suits you want; Raimi managed to ruin Spider-Man 3 all by himself, probably due to burnout, fatigue, whatever you want to call it. I don't think he should direct another entry in the series, nor do I think he wants to.
Hawaiian Organ Donor by finky089	May 16th, 2008 11:48:30 AM
Talk about batshit insane: Damn you George Lucas! I hope he was at least 75% joking when he made that statement in Cannes. Like he think s it COULD work and WOULD be profitable, so long as he doesn't retain a shred of dignity for one of his last beloved children (albeit one he birth with SS.) I really, really hope that a Shia LaJones series Never EVER comes about. Ever.
were complaining about Spidey's costume by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:49:11 AM
now? The only thing wrong with teh movie red and blue's was I couldn't see his jaw move when he talked. Not that he did much talking with his mask on in those movies.
Indy 4 Comic adaption out. spoilers: by nooneimportant	May 16th, 2008 11:51:28 AM
they make it to the temple and replace the missing crystal skull on the alien body. it comes to life along with some others. the temple transforms into a spaceship and flys off. Indy gets married in the end.
Yes Ribbons by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:51:44 AM
Exactly. I agree.
What about just making one movie? by drewlicious	May 16th, 2008 11:53:27 AM
I'd really rather have a simple entertaining comic book movie and not something epic. Look what happened to the pirates movies. I say take a lesson from the Indy movies, each one stands as an individual film.
OK thanks for all the Indy shit by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 11:53:36 AM
in a Spider-man talkback. I don't think I want to see it at all now. Thanks.
what I expect from Spidey 4 (and 5)...damnit by spidercoz	May 16th, 2008 11:54:05 AM
1. BANTER!!! for fucks sake, 3 movies and he's had like one moderately amusing line? 2. less focus on MJ, she's a storykiller drag in the comics too 3. let's see..., Vulture, Electro, Shocker, Mysterio, Scorpion, and, what the hell, Rhino for the 6 4. SPIDER-SLAYERS!!! 5. Ravencroft that's more than enough, half of this would be amazing (just in ambition, not necessarily product)
So is nobody doing any work because it's Friday by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 11:54:07 AM
Or is doing no work and spending all day on the TBs par for the course? I've hardly done any work since that monster Indy IV TB and that started when two weeks ago? Vern or Harry will need to start a TB soon about "Hawaiian Organ Donor's pick slip."
yay.... not! by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 11:54:50 AM
will the ones feature song and dance numbers, how about crying, cuz everyone in spider-man 3 cried like a little bitch... maybe there will be pointless villain teamups or how about the last act of the movie just add a villain and kill em off real quick... maybe they can bring back sandman so he could cry with spider-man and blow off into the wind.. fucking gay... spider-man 3 killed any enthusiam I would've had for future sequels... they should just reboot the series...
If that is how Indy ends... by fassbinder79	May 16th, 2008 11:55:23 AM
...Guess I won't be seeing it in the theater. Will wait for it when its released on Blu ray and rent it from netflix. The marriage is fine...But the crystal skull on an alien body? Come on guys that blows.
Spiderman, AI (After Iron Man) by BoggyCreekBeast	May 16th, 2008 11:55:50 AM
Can't even watch the Spiderman movies after seeing Iron Man. PASS!
Skull said it best about SM3 by Herb West	May 16th, 2008 11:56:28 AM
"Worst superhero movie ever made, with probably the best superhero ever." That sums it up nicely. Where do you even go from there story wise? The only thing good about that movie was that they finally introduced a new female lead in Gwen Stacy to replace that stupid bitch Dunst. Although it fucks continuity all to hell.
Hawaiian Organ Donor by finky089	May 16th, 2008 12:01:23 PM
A little of both, I think. However, once it gets past 3 or so East Coast time, you'll see the posts dry up quickly. I'm in CA and by 3pm on a Friday the TBs are typically dead.
Recast the whole fucking thing! by ZeroCorpse	May 16th, 2008 12:02:03 PM
Everybody. Toss out the entire cast with one exception: J Jonah Jameson. I see no reason to keep the other prima donnas on; They'll just ruin it with their input. I'd much rather see Spider-Man played by unknowns with some decent acting chops. Of course, that won't happen either. This is Sony Pictures, and they HAVE TO have a big name attached because they don't think it will sell without one. Man, get back to basics. No more of this lame 90s comic inspiration. No more fucking Venom, Carnage, or any other symbiote. Nothing that was ever influenced by Todd "hack" McFarlane. Nothing from the current Brand New Day arc, either (fucking joke, that is.) Back to basics! Kraven, Mysterio, Lizard, Vulture, Rhino, Scorpion and Electro goddamnit! And how about this, guys: Spider-Man can keep his mask on for an entire end battle! How new and unique that would be! I love Raimi's work, but damned if I want to see another Raimi Spider-Man after the shitstorm that was SM3. Time to refresh the series and bring in someone who will honor the books-- Preferably the 60s, 70s and 80s versions.
If it makes you feel any better by finky089	May 16th, 2008 12:02:07 PM
My work productivity shoots WAY down when there's anything of interest in the way of TBs on this site.
another vote for a reboot by oisin5199	May 16th, 2008 12:03:07 PM
The Raimi films were decent if overrated, but they're only one interpretation of Spidey. I didn't mind the Revenge dance and all that. It felt very Silver Age. But I agree that we need new blood. Along with the new writer, a new director, new leads, new tone. I wish they could do a younger, Ultimate version and bring the story in line with what they're doing over at Marvel Studios with the supersoldier stuff. But that won't happen. But yeah, less cry baby emo stuff. Give us a good smart ass Spidey with an actor who can balance the comedy and the serious, one who can joke to cover up the pain, even though we can still see the pain. That delicate balance is so difficult.
Skull1138 by Samus Aran	May 16th, 2008 12:03:47 PM
Right on. Everything you said is true. However, Raimi didn't even come close to raping my childhood in the brutally boring way that George Lucas did with the prequals. He came up from behind my childhood real slow and stupid, like a raping mongaloid. I would love to start trashing on Lucas right now, I HATE HIS FAT NECK GUTS (and you can only truly hate someone that you once loved), but instead I will stay on topic, and I will trash on Raimi- whom I don't hate as much. Thank God, Thank God Raimi isn't "evil deading" The Hobbit. Keep that guy the fuck away from that precious project. (I like Guillermo Del Toro, but I'm not sure I even trust him with something so delicate and important, I seriously don't want it to look like Pan's Labyrinth as good as that looked). Anyway, Sam Raimi only made one good movie, Spider-Man 2 (because Bruce Campbell is the genious, Sam Raimi isn't). And with such a terrible record, I feel that Sam Raimi must have accidentally made a good movie when he did this. He must have been having an off day. For a while I thought that Sam Raimi was actually doing justice to my favorite super hero since I was a little kid, and I even started to think that the first Spider-Man movie had been redeemed by the sequals terrificness. But Spider-Man 3 came out, and I honestly could not believe what sloppy garbage passes as a movie nowadays- that thing was just simply incoherant. Sam Raimi has too many cobwebs in his head or something- his movies are like messy bedrooms. Hollywood. please stop making Spider-Man movies much the same way you stopped making Batman movies after your trainwreck "Batman and Robin" (I know that you didn't go that far this time, but the franchise is still young)- then wait for several years, and give us a nice juicy reboot like Christopher Nolan did. I admit that Batman Begins is still not perfect (it's not quite as good as Iron Man perhaps), but it is truly a breath of pine fresh air. Long live intelligent reimaginings. And while you're at it, please start the reimagining process for Fantastic Four. I want to see a real Galactus some day, not a cloud particle fountain. Time for Jon Favreau to start making the calls on these Marvel movies, he seems to have a brain, a good one. PS George Lucas is a bullfrog necked, wooden acting directing, CGI whoring, Jedi overkilling, ninja yoda designing, MTV editing, candle burnt at both ends and now extinguished, Doug Chiang hiring asshole. nuff said
fuck continuity by spidercoz	May 16th, 2008 12:04:05 PM
if they want to reverse the whole thing, kill off MJ and have Pete hook up w/ Gwen later, I'm all for it, especially if it's still Bryce
finky089 by Herb West	May 16th, 2008 12:06:19 PM
So does that mean that you're really productive 95 per cent of the time? :)
oh and also... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:07:03 PM
if they were going to do a two part movie... wouldn't it have made sense to do it with the symbiote/venom story... because that's to easy... shakes head
by the way by Samus Aran	May 16th, 2008 12:07:16 PM
when I said that Bruce Campbell was the genious, I wasn't intending to imply that he was the reason Spider-Man 2 was good, I'm just saying that Bruce Campbell is the reason why any of Sam Raimis "briliant" pre Spider-Man movies were at all watchable.
Kraven eats his Balls by picardsucks	May 16th, 2008 12:09:20 PM
Then in 5 he grows new green balls using Doc Conners lizard formula and has a nifty Chicagoesque flaming song and dance number like in the 3rd film but this time it's the triumphant grew back my balls dance!! Then he punches out Kraven - they end.
is it that hard... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:10:26 PM
to keep spidey's mask on during the end... that always bugged the shit out of me... and I always thought Topher Grace could have had the right balance to portray spider-man, being a smart ass and nerdy...
spidey 4 an 5 by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:12:17 PM
If they even bother with these movies would they be released separate summers or in the same year like the Matrix sequels? Either way Spidey and MJ should be recast and bring in the fucking Lizard! Spidey = unknown to wipe the slate clean from Tobey and Mj I have no idea. Nikki Cox?
They Need To Get Spielberg On This Shit Pronto by That 70s Venom	May 16th, 2008 12:14:22 PM
I want to see a Spielbergian Spider-Man film please. Let the king in the ring, mother fuckers. He will show these cunts how to make a real super hero movie, even though he's never done it before (unless you include Indiana Jones, but he's not really a super hero, is he?)
Good, this is an endless series, there should be no limit by Norm3	May 16th, 2008 12:15:27 PM
I'm so sick of this trilogy crap. Who made that rule up! This is a series of comic books. I hope they make 50 of them. then I can choose the ones I like & the ones I don't want to own. The more choices the better.
NO MORE RAIMI... by THE TRUE PINBACK	May 16th, 2008 12:16:24 PM
After the debacle that was SPIDER-MAN 3, they need to replace Sam Raimi. #1 was okay, #2 was terrific, but #3 sucked like a Hoover vaccuum. This franchise needs some fresh blood, and they need to start at the top with a new director. And it wouldn't hurt to dump the soap-opera-ish crap with Mary Jane. Just turn this back into a balls-to-the-wall superhero franchise.
Keep the series going, but with a different director... by Librerarian	May 16th, 2008 12:18:02 PM
...getting a new director, I think, is crucial to keeping the life in this. You could feel the life going out of Raimi's vision in 3... it's time for new territory with a new set of eyes. Curan (didn't he express interest?) or James Cameron would both be great.
fuck continuity by Herb West	May 16th, 2008 12:18:44 PM
Yeah, I agree if that's what it takes to make a decent Spidey movie. Though it is too bad that so far we've seen 2 goblins and neither one got to kill poor Gwen. Maybe in SM 7.5 the Hobgoblin will come around and do it.
Bandwagons are funny by Sithdan	May 16th, 2008 12:19:16 PM
First Raimi was hailed as a cinematic god, now he's lambasted as hack. It's funny how people join bandwagons to formulate their opinions on something instead of thinking for themselves.
SS for Captain America by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:19:52 PM
and no Matthew McConahey (sp?)
Police Academy 4 and 5 were good by DarfurOnTheRocks	May 16th, 2008 12:20:52 PM
...Just ask Tackleberry.
As much of a Raimi fan that I am... by Halloween68	May 16th, 2008 12:21:20 PM
I'm actually glad Del Toro has taken over THE HOBBIT. I've seen some weaknesses in SPIDER MAN that I never saw with Raimi before. If there's anything that'll be on an even bigger stage than SPIDER MAN it's THE HOBBIT. And that worried me. Del Toro has been a solid director in everything he's done. Small films to big films. Even MIMIC regardless of the studio interference had its moments. Something that's never been a problem with Raimi before has been dialog. A good part of the dialog in SPIDER MAN is horrible. Most of the actors look and feel uncomfortable with their lines. That's George Lucasitis in a nutshell. Dialog seems to be one of Guillermo Del Toro's stronger points. That, a strong sense of visual style and being able to get the most out of his actors regardless of if they're one of his regulars or not. That said, I think Raimi is more suited for the smaller stage. There's no one better than him making small hitchcock type thrillers or small geek-ridden genre films.
3 was no 1 or 2 by Teddy Artery	May 16th, 2008 12:22:41 PM
Perhaps Raimi is due for a vacation...
STOP HATING ON GEORGE LUCAS by fassbinder79	May 16th, 2008 12:22:57 PM
I would love to see one of you talkbackers make a film a tenth as good as what Lucas did with THX-1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars A New Hope. He produced and created two of the most successful film trilogy franchises in film history (Star Wars and Indiana Jones), his THX sound company has become an industry standard as well as his effects houses. He has helped get made some amazing films like Coppola's brilliant Tucker and Schrader's fascinating Mishima. Stop the hate and accept the fact that Lucas owns all your asses any day of the week. I'm getting sick and tired of people on these boards constantly going after Lucas and stroking themselves over Spielberg. Make no mistake Lucas is a pioneer and a giant in this industry and he has paved the way for many people to be successful in this industry. He is also one of the most generous people to his production teams and crews. I can understand people being upset with the last three star wars prequels but lets put that in perspective for a moment. The guy took an sixteen year or so hiatus from directing movies. Cut him some slack. For not being behind a camera for so long he didn't do that bad a job. Directing a movie isn't like riding a bike. Look at Oliver Stone for example. Amazing director. But when he took about six years off after making AGS his movies got progressively worse. As fans of cinema we should encourage someone like Lucas not hate on him. He is given us film geeks too much and has influenced the industry in ways that few of us can comprehend. My hope is that Lucas will have the courage to make the art films he had talked about for so long. I think Lucas has another remarkable film project in him and I think we should support him so that he we will take the risk he has wanted to for so long.
you know what else is funny? by just pillow talk	May 16th, 2008 12:23:29 PM
Trying to defend Spidey 3 when it was a massive disappointment.
Sithdan by Ribbons	May 16th, 2008 12:27:24 PM
Blanket statements are pretty funny too (and another nifty way of not having to think for yourself).
Fassbinder79... by THE TRUE PINBACK	May 16th, 2008 12:29:52 PM
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!!!! There has been a lot of negativity aimed at George Lucas recently, and I don't think that any of it is warranted in any way. Nobody's perfect, and I don't think that Lucas is either. But this guy has done more for modern cinema than anyone I can think of. Lay off the guy. Head to the theaters, sit back and enjoy the ride. The sense of wonder that Lucas has put back into films in general is more than rweason enough to lay off the guy. If you can't think of any other reason, then think of that.
Martin Campbell for director, Jason Dohring for Peter/Spider-Man by SpyGuy	May 16th, 2008 12:30:36 PM
Campbell's proven he can fix broken franchises...twice if you look at GOLDENEYE and CASINO ROYALE. And Dohring obviously has some free time now that MOONLIGHT has been axed.
They should give Electro his green/yellow costume by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:32:27 PM

Spidey 3 Sucked My Balls! by thegrayghost	May 16th, 2008 12:32:46 PM
Ok, I'm not going start hating on Raimi completely just because of part 3. Here's my thoughts: - Spidey 1 was ok, but I appreciated it a lot more due to Spidey 2 - Spiderman 2 IS one of the BEST THREE superhero movies ever made. The other two are the first Superman with Christopher Reeves (not the Bryan Singer debacle) and Nolan's Batman Begins. You have to give credit to Raimi for that. - Spiderman's costume is one of the BEST movie costumes ever made for a movie. The other two are Iron Man (yes, I know a lot of it was CG), and Superman (Original). Nolan's batsuit is pretty good, but it's still not close to the comicbooks. - Tobey Mcguire is still great as Peter Parker/Spiderman ... he has the geekiness down pat! Less crying though please ... more of a script/director gripe. - Dunst ... ok, never really saw her as the ideal MJ (not hot enough), but I did warm up to her since she is a decent actress. Plus, I can see how Raimi would see her as being a more realistic fit due to Tobey looks and personality. In part 3, she was a whiny bitch and I wanted to smack her ... may be more of a script/director gripe. Though I'm ALL FOR a better looking "actress." - Part 2. A BIG part of the reason why part 2 was good was the writing. People always forget about the writers. S2:Steve Ditko (comicbook guy), Alfred Gough, and Miles Millar (Smallville), Michael Chabon S3: Sam Raimi, Ivan Raimi, and Alvin Sargent - Part 3 ... man, I really hated this movie. It had some cool moments, i.e. some of the Sandman beginning scenes. However, the script sucked. Venom storyline (if you can call it that) was unnecessary and should have been left out entirely for the next trilogy. The emo-parker ... I would have to agree that Raimi was indeed bored and un-inspired for this one. Blame Avi (pushed for Venom), Sony (clueless and greedy), and Raimi (spineless and horrible writer) for this failure ...
LIZARD AND KRAVEN by Loosejerk	May 16th, 2008 12:34:07 PM
DO IT, FUCKERS!
Fassbinder79 by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 12:34:20 PM
I just want to see Lucas do the WW2 movie he's been jonesing to do for decades.
SpyGuy by jimmy rabbitte	May 16th, 2008 12:34:34 PM
I agree with the Martin Campbell idea. I mentioned him earlier in the TB; but did not make the point you brought up. Campbell has shown the ability to right listing franchises. He would be a good choice to take over if Raimi does not return.
they should wait by Hive Mind	May 16th, 2008 12:36:41 PM
until the bad taste of SM3 is out of our mouths, then reboot the franchise in 10 years Batman Begins stylee...all new cast, new director, new feel.
Clear the slate by cromulent	May 16th, 2008 12:37:13 PM
New a fresh start with a new director and a whole new cast would be good.
the script has to be Marvel vs Capcom!!!! by Annie The Pod Racer	May 16th, 2008 12:37:19 PM
Spidey gets a sidekick - Megaman!!!!!! "I wanna take you for a ride!!!"
Spiderman 4: Tobey's Still a Fuckin Dork by merricks15yearoldson	May 16th, 2008 12:38:57 PM
.....Spidey 3 could be among the worst 5 comic book films
Spiderman 3 wasn't NEARLY as bad by Hive Mind	May 16th, 2008 12:39:19 PM
as the last 2 Batman (Forever, & Robin) films in the '90s, so you Spiderman fans think you got it bad? Just remember teh shittyness that Batman fans had to endure.
Lucas/Raimi by Herb West	May 16th, 2008 12:40:37 PM
You know, I don't think that anybody wants to hate Lucas and Raimi but both of these so called "visionary directors" have proven that they will churn out any type of shit for the highest profit. I think they both know that money will be made simply because of the name of the franchise so they think that they don't even have to try to make a decent movie.
Spidey 4 = Amazing Spider-Man by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:41:28 PM
Reboot with the exception of keeping the two actors who play JJonah and the Lizard/Doc Connors
Ever a reason for a Fourth Movie?????? by cookylamoo	May 16th, 2008 12:42:10 PM
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
MJ I've got it by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:43:44 PM
The red headed Busted Tees chick if she can't act fuck it, she's hot!
RECAST MJ!! RECAST MJ!! NO MORE BEAN-BAG TITS!! by Mike_D	May 16th, 2008 12:44:18 PM
pleeeeeeeeeze!!
spymaster... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:44:40 PM
now there's a suggestion... jason dohring as spider-man.. I didn't even think of that one..
Spidey 3 could of been worse by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:45:39 PM
see Superman 4: The Quest for Peace or Batman and Robin
It'll be like Batman Begins at best by polyh3dron	May 16th, 2008 12:47:46 PM
Batman Begins was an AMAZING Batman film that didn't do too well at the box office. Why didn't it do very well? Because Batman & Robin and Batman Forever were completely horrible. Same thing will happen with Spiderman 4 even if it is really good. All the good will towards the Spider Man movies was erased with Spider Man 3.
Reboot the fucker! by DocPazuzu	May 16th, 2008 12:47:55 PM
Liked 1 a lot, LOVED 2 and hated 3. Reboot the franchise with a new director and new actors for every part except Jameson's, and this time get someone who actually fits the Mary Jane role, like Rachel McAdams. Dunst is an anemic talent vacuum whose power of suckage was only countered by how good the rest of Spidey 1 & 2 were. 3 was so weak that Dunst's charmless harridan blossomed into a full black hole of awfulness. Seriously, were any of you rooting for Parker to get back together with MJ? Damn you, Sam Raimi! On a side note, I liked Maguire in the role initially, but his sad sack puppy dog love for Dunst has forever tainted him in terms of Spider-Man. Get a new guy!
Batman Forever... by SUPERJIM	May 16th, 2008 12:48:10 PM
Was probably better than Spiderman 3. Batman & Robin was slightly worse, but probably could be better if it had the same budget and special effects. Seriously, if (when?) they make Spiderman 4 they really need to go in a different direction. It was by far the biggest let down of last summer.
fuck yeah she is ! by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:48:59 PM
thanks dannyglovers_dickblood
QuiGonnJin&Tonic by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 12:49:25 PM
Imagine what "Irish I Were Drunk" would have looked like in the alley scene with bulging breasts and a sopping wet T-shirt.
http://tiny.cc/w6Ntw by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 12:49:33 PM
http://tiny.cc/w6Ntw
a TDK ? by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:50:54 PM
Wasn't Rachel McAdams supposed to be in it? I never heard anything after that? Was she replaced by Maggie or was that all rumor. Thanks to anyone who knows
spiderman 4-6: the clone wars but call it 1-3 by palewook	May 16th, 2008 12:51:45 PM
nah too lucas.. run sam run. nobody will ever top spiderman 1-2 run..
The red-headed Busted Tees chick by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 12:52:10 PM
Is insanely hot. I'd drag my bag across a desert of broken glass just to eat the......well, you get the point.
Osmosis: "Has this idea EVER worked?" by Anakin Whoopass	May 16th, 2008 12:52:19 PM
Two sequels with cliffhanger break: The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
Fucking A ! That's what I am saying by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:53:33 PM
Irish I were drunk indeed!
Danny by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 12:54:20 PM
"That chick is an 11." Actually, according to the guys in Spinal Tap, she goes all the way to 12!
quigonn... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:54:40 PM

Batman and Robin before Spiderman 3. by Sawney Bean	May 16th, 2008 12:54:57 PM
I agree, and that's saying something. Sm3 WAS one of the worst superhero movies of all time. Has anyone forgot that they changed the whole origin of SM by having Sandman kill Uncle Ben. AND THEN, AND THEN, had Spiderman confront Sandman, cry together and the have him float off with the wind? How dare they? HOW THE FUCK DARE THEY?
I want a Busted Tees chick porn, stat! by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:55:06 PM

quigonn.. by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:55:13 PM
I remember her being rumored for harley quinn
Hmmm thanks RKO by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 12:57:05 PM
Okay I was under the impression she was going to play, well Rachel and instead Maggie G, got the role.
bring on The Shadow! by Matthew Martinez	May 16th, 2008 12:57:25 PM
Raimi's done almost nothing but Spider-Man for the last seven or eight years. I say it's time he get moving on The Shadow now that he has the rights.
Maybe Raimi felt by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 12:57:27 PM
there would be no more (or at least no more with him) and that's why he shoved everything into the third movie? Either that was a short sided call or a selfish one.
sawney bean! by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 12:58:30 PM
exactly that shit was horrible.... "I forgive you" they both cry together and sandman floats off into the wind... horrible absoluteley horrible!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed by DANNYGLOVERS-DICKBLOODS	May 16th, 2008 01:01:36 PM
That the rumors are true and Shia Lebouf is cast as THE VULTURE. How cool would that be?
quigonn also i remember by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:01:54 PM
Emily Blunt was rumored to play rachel and now that I think of it I think Rachel McAdams was offered the role of pepper potts but turned it down..
Rachel McAdams should be Lois Lane by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:04:06 PM

Rachel McAdams and the Busted Tees chick by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 01:04:13 PM
Make the best sandwiches.
yes yes they do Hawaiian by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:05:34 PM

Feck it! Do 4, 5, and 6 back to back to back by FILMFUNK	May 16th, 2008 01:05:51 PM
They couldn't suck any worse than Spidey 3!
Ultimate Spiderman? by Laughing Irishman	May 16th, 2008 01:05:53 PM
I prefer the look of that one. Perhaps Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman?
I'll bet you this arc by Your Moms Box	May 16th, 2008 01:07:44 PM
gives us the Lizard as the primary villian for part four, and the cliffhanger that leads into part 5 boasts the return of the symbiote, either in the form of Carnage or a not so dead Eddie Brock. I actually wouldnt mind either. A symbiote villian with an arc that doesnt start and stop within 10 minutes while screeching like a fucking Velociraptor would be cool.
any ideas for casting Carnage? by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:08:49 PM

Sawney Bean by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 01:09:42 PM
You know I actually did forget that for a bit. Sheez that was terrible. I guess I subconsciously ignored it. That was a billion times worse then any dance number people like to hate.
RKO2285 "I forgive you" by Sawney Bean	May 16th, 2008 01:09:48 PM
Yeah, I can honestly say I've never been offended by a movie before, but that did it for me. I remember when that shit was leaked and people actually thought that it was going to be a lie or something told by Harry Goblin or Brock just to fuck with Peter and to make him waste time by going after Sandman. I don't think anybody can believe that they actually went with that horsehit idea.
speaking of Mr. Sinister by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:10:10 PM
would they ever put him or Apocalypse in a film be it X4 or another spinoff?
I'd easily, easily watch... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2008 01:10:57 PM
A Vanderbilt written Spider-Man 4 and 5 with Fincher directing, and Gylenhall starring.
You know what that Sandman plot was by Rufferto	May 16th, 2008 01:11:39 PM
It was retcon. The thing that killed the comic. They actually went back and changed the plot to there previous movies. Sad. Sad.
sawney bean... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:14:29 PM

Mr.Sinister7381 by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:15:30 PM
it would be nice but too bad Fox is fucked in the head, there are endless X-men stories to choose from. I love Wolvie like everyone else but no more move on!
damnit! second time... sawney bean... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:15:52 PM
yeah I was pretty pissed off at that point and that part put me over the edge... man that was bad...
Topher Grace as Spider-Man... by Gilkuliehe	May 16th, 2008 01:16:48 PM
They should get him to play SM. Seriously, he would be perfect. Oh and get Ron Howard's daughter to play MJ. That would be a complete mindfuck to everybody who saw S-M 3. Except us, we're cool.
speaking of superhero movies that matter... by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:17:59 PM
anyone seen this? http://www.batman-on-film.com/ TDK_joker-poster-big_BOF-exclu sive_5-16-08.html
Carrot Top as Carnage by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 01:18:18 PM
He can spend two hours pulling out props. Can't be worse than SM3.
Gyllenhaal, Fincher, and set in the 70s. by Christopher3	May 16th, 2008 01:18:42 PM
Awww yeah.
Landlord's daughter as Black Cat?!!?... by Kid Z	May 16th, 2008 01:18:44 PM
...Isn't Black Cat supposed to be beautiful and... uhhh... voluptuous? Not scrawny and with a huge frickin' mole on her forehead? Don't get me wrong, the chick that played the landlord's daughter was great... as the landlord's daughter. And the character was a lot nicer than that airhead Gwen Stacey character or Kirsten's version of Mary Jane, but she's no black cat! However, if you want to bring back the landlord and his daughter, since they're obviously supposed to be Russian, make them Kraven the Hunter's estranged brother and niece, respectively. It'd get Kraven right in Peter Parker's face in that "Oh my god, my archenemy is having lunch right next door with my landlord and that nice girl who brings me cake and milk"-sort of thing that always seems to work with Spider-Man.
Rachael McAdams > Busted Tee Chick > Dunst by thegrayghost	May 16th, 2008 01:19:39 PM
Busted Tee Chick aite ... Rachael McAdams is pretty damn cute. Or how about Kate Austen? Saw her on Kimmel and hot damn, she can eat a sandwich!
Might as well do the "Brand New Day" storyline . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	May 16th, 2008 01:20:25 PM
minus Mephisto I guess. Make it so?
gilkuliehe by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:20:38 PM
I agree about Topher being spidey but BDH was hot as a blonde... so i'd keep her as Gwen Stacy
Spidey 3 should have been split by vadakinX	May 16th, 2008 01:20:44 PM
It should have been two movies. One dealing with Sandman and Goblin, while introducing Brock and the symbiote. It should then have ended with Brock becoming Venom. Then the next movie should have been about Peter trying to make amends for everything he did while under the influence of the symbiote, as Eddie, now as Venom, sets about tormenting Peter. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how it should have been done...heck, the animated series did a pretty good job of it...but big Hollywood writers and directors couldn't manage it.
Busted Tees Chick for MJ by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	May 16th, 2008 01:20:46 PM
I won't stop till it's done! After all MJ needs tits...
SM3 by Sawney Bean	May 16th, 2008 01:25:14 PM
And don't forget the whole hundred foot Sandman at the end and Harry Goblin and Spidey flying around on the glider. And especially don't forget the newscaster deal through the entire so-called battle. I honestly think that they ran out of money and couldn't finish the effects.
jack asses by ltexley	May 16th, 2008 01:27:10 PM
Six years ago, the talkback was all about how great spidey 1 was. Now everyone calls it shitty. Do any of you people even like movies?
Spidey 4 and 5, which should have been the Venom saga... by moviemaniac-7	May 16th, 2008 01:28:26 PM
All the problems, well most of them, in SM 3 had to do with Venom, worthy of his own movie and he was shoe horned in. They should close the chapter on the Goblin story arc in the third one, which they did, and then do a similar thing with Venom in 4 and 5 (and possibly 6 to complete the trilogy). Too bad, this could have been a great series, but was fucked up by greed.
Snyder or Favreau Please! by topaz4206	May 16th, 2008 01:29:32 PM
As director. Thanks!
Best news of the year! by Miguel De Barioz	May 16th, 2008 01:30:15 PM
Yes! Best news of the YEAR!! I'm am soooo glad that the guys have sorted this one out! Spiderman is, like, my best ever movie (i've only since part 3 on DVD last year and I LOVED it!). Think Spidey 4 should concentrate on some of the other characters:- Casting suggestions: Spidey- Tobey (ofcourse) MJ - Kirsten (ofcourse) Lex - Dan Shanks Aunty May - one of the Golden Girls Carnage - David Prowse. What does everyone else think?
QuiGonnJin&Tonic by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 01:30:15 PM
That way MJ could parade around in tight T-shirts that said things like "Hey, my face is up here" or "Spider Man just filled me full of webbing." I'm behind your campaign 100%.
vadakinX by Sawney Bean	May 16th, 2008 01:30:54 PM
Yeah, that seems to be what they are going for with TDK and I have a feeling it will work. It's also true that cartoons have better story lines than some movies like SM3, and that's sad.
Spidey 3 really sucked large. by Yeti	May 16th, 2008 01:31:40 PM
And it kept going on and on...
sawney bean by RKO2285	May 16th, 2008 01:31:47 PM
oh yea, how bout the butler telling harry that spider-man couldn't have killed his dad... WTF? totally fucking random..
I can't believe all the Raimi hate by Kammich	May 16th, 2008 01:32:14 PM
Yeah, SM3 had a bloated mess of a storyline and seemed tonally out of place in the series, but cut Raimi some slack. Fans of the character shouldn't be so quick to forget where the property stood before Raimi came on board; the better of Cameron's two scripts was still terrible and out of character, with Peter dropping F-Bombs and banging Mary Jane on top of the Brooklyn Bridge. Not to mention Cameron completely fabricated the villain(s )by shoddily combining Kingpin, Electro and Sandman. And before that there were scripts in development that resembled the character even less; I recall reading about a proposed Spider-man movie that had Peter Parker as a One Hour Photo employee at Eckerd's that literally transformed into a giant, rabid spider. So before you go crucifying Raimi for including a silly jazz sequence in one of the movies, try to think of how bad things could have been. Raimi made a series of light films with character and heart: which is exactly faithful to the source material. Personally I got a kick out of seeing Raimi have some fun with the third film, he earned as much after building a franchise that made Sony over a billion dollars and that put comic book films back on the map.
I love Tobey but... by Napolean Solo	May 16th, 2008 01:32:17 PM
If he doesn't do it, you know who will make a good Peter Parker, if not a little young...? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Anton Yelchin!
I miss the Spidey TB days by Hawaiian Organ Donor	May 16th, 2008 01:32:55 PM
When we only complained about organic web shooters. Funny how everyone got over that so fast, eh?
Get a new director, cast, approach by Gozu	May 16th, 2008 01:33:26 PM
I'm sick of everyone involved. The best part of Spider Man 3 was easily James Franco and he got killed off (probably why he was so loose and fun - HE WAS FREE!) I'd like to see a "Spider Man" movie that's 90 minutes long, straight action, directed by Neil Marshall, who right now stands heads and shoulders above pretty much every other fucking a

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