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The Secret Venture History Revealed!! Brought To You By Smoking!! VENTURE BROS. 3.11!!

Primero by InActionMan	Aug 8th, 2008 04:34:52 PM
I am officially a Douche Bag!!
At number 11 already?? by skimn	Aug 8th, 2008 04:41:02 PM
How many total??
Focusing on secondary characters by Heckles	Aug 8th, 2008 04:54:11 PM
Episodes dealing with backstory of secondary characters is keeping the show fresh. Last week, Brock was the only member of the primary Venture team that made an appearance. Still an awesome episode. They've quickly made this awesome cast of characters. The Voltron rip was hilarious, the Thing guy flying an ice cream cone made me spit my beer out. Excellent. The show is just getting better, even if Monarch is becoming a little annoying.
Grandpa Venture? by Vic Twenty	Aug 8th, 2008 04:55:28 PM
Let me guess, the eldest Venture created Herman Munster, and gave Lily to the poor dumb bastard after he tired of her.
No real jokes... by superman5150	Aug 8th, 2008 04:56:52 PM
As much as I love the development, this episode seemed to lack the normal volume of laughs as other episodes. Still, I'd take an unfunny VB over Family Guy any day.
didn't 'BEGIN' you mean. by zom-bot.com	Aug 8th, 2008 04:59:15 PM
that's okay. spellcheck knows being is a real word.
drawn different? different writers? by zom-bot.com	Aug 8th, 2008 05:04:17 PM
there is something different about this episode. is it intentional? it doesn't work. how strange
Is Venture Bros written by Joss Whedon? by HandsThe Hands of Fate	Aug 8th, 2008 05:29:55 PM
Otherwise I dont understand why Herc's every second story is about this cartoon.
Never associate venture Bros. with Joss Whedon again by IndustryKiller!	Aug 8th, 2008 05:58:51 PM
Or your life is forfeit Hands....btw hilarious fucking name. But yeah, Venture Bros cant be associated with Whedon because venture bros. actually has quality to it, so right there you can see the difference.
Cuz It's fuckin hilarious, Handsy... by Cheif Brody	Aug 8th, 2008 06:03:03 PM
That's why Herc's got a boner for it. And...if we're nit pickin spellcheck shit... "Brock's car is a huNdredy zillion times cooler than KITT". A spelling AND math problem!!
Good episode. by The-Duke-of-New-York	Aug 8th, 2008 06:09:09 PM
I had personally thought since last season that the reason Brock was sent to guard Dr. Venture was because of the cloning, but this is good too. A fairly serious episode, really, and I liked the Victorian Guild.
Love how this is the only site where spelling or grammar doesn't by LasickEYEsurgerY	Aug 8th, 2008 06:13:30 PM
Did Tarantino beat Herc in the special olympics spelling bee? I must have missed that one on TV.
Damn that was alot of bacskstory by wyvern	Aug 8th, 2008 06:13:47 PM
Still a good episode.TPing Dr Orpeus was my fav and the rusty venture show intro was good too.Whats up with Kano?He looked older in the show clip.So I guess he supposedly killed Dr. Venture sr.hmmm
I was confused... by Nohomo	Aug 8th, 2008 06:18:34 PM
I love this show but we only have two more episodes to go for this season. I can't wait til there is a reason for them to finally use the Orb in a future episode. So does this mean Brock is terminated?
Brock's been hit with a truck before and lived... by MCVamp	Aug 8th, 2008 06:46:56 PM
Just saying. No spoilers though.
Doubt Kano killed Dr. V. by BigSteve03	Aug 8th, 2008 06:57:22 PM
Seems like this season is all about building up the mystery of what really happened to Jonas Venture Senior. They'll either reveal who killed him in the season finale, or it will become one of the long running never answered questions of the show, like who's the kids's mom.
Best part by arby64	Aug 8th, 2008 07:13:49 PM
Is that idea that the first scene was supposed to be part of a childrens show.
Better Yet, BigSteve... by Cheif Brody	Aug 8th, 2008 07:28:45 PM
The kid's MOM killed Venture, Sr. THAT would be a helluva episode...especially if Mom found out Rusty had actually "died" several times on various adventures...and Jonas had cloned "replacement Rustys". Can you see Rusty Venture's face when he realizes all this time he's been a clone?!! And Brock being pissed off that he's been riskin his neck for a damn clone all these years!
Admittedly the tone of this episode was far more serious by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 8th, 2008 07:52:41 PM
but I think it will give some more weight to the season finale. However, I spit out my drink at the "Wilde Grey Man" sight gag when Billy just points to the random toilet attendant sitting in studio 54 with a shit-eating grin on his face.
I had noticed in in "Now Museum, Now you Don't" by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 8th, 2008 07:56:17 PM
that Kano moved his mouth when the team did their "Go Team Venture" salute. I had pointed it out to some people suspecting that Kano wasn't a mute after all. Looks like my hunch was validated. Never expected him to be a Digital Underground fan, either!
ORB by lagomorph	Aug 8th, 2008 08:01:40 PM
Was the ORB a sly nod to Brisco County Jr? The idea behind it seemed quite similar.
Da Vinci Code or National Treasure? by lagomorph	Aug 8th, 2008 08:03:36 PM
Though I wouldn't call it a spoof, the episode was definitely goofing on the wild speculation that fuels the Da Vinci Code and National Treasure type movies. Also the old Guild looked a lot like the League of Extraoridnary Gentlemen, and the end shot was out of Christine.
Nikola Tesla! by SamuelJackson1	Aug 8th, 2008 08:55:36 PM
Anyone else notice the mention of off-screen Tesla arching Col.Venture during the flashback scene? I would've imagined Tesla being the good super scientist with Thomas Edison arching him.
This is how we lose George Michael by MediaNerd	Aug 8th, 2008 09:00:47 PM
Heh, I immediately thought of Brisco Jr also with all the orb references. Maybe i missed something, but wasn't that phantom limb(before limbless) in the Victorian age? How old is he supposed to be?
phantom limb by fiester	Aug 8th, 2008 09:08:53 PM
-those Victorian era Phantomoses are our current Phantom Limbs ancestors. He established that he comes from a long and illustrious line of costumed adventurers.
Question. by The-Duke-of-New-York	Aug 8th, 2008 11:28:05 PM
Who was in the Victorian Guild? I got Phantomas, Col. Venture, Mark Twain, and Aleister Crowley, but who was "the fat queen"? Also, SamuelJackson1, I think the implication was that the Guild was in some sort of civil war, and that Tesla was on the other side. Since Tesla was in the Guild before it was the Guild of Calamitous Intent, he actually was a good super-scientist.
'The Fat Queen' by SamuelJackson1	Aug 8th, 2008 11:35:51 PM
I believe that the fat queen was none other than Oscar Wilde. Though I could be wrong.
Phantom limb by thelivingsunset	Aug 8th, 2008 11:47:06 PM
I am guessing that the next episodes will deal with Phantom Limb. Maybe he knows of the Orb from his family or something. The only reason I say this is they set him up as being on the run from the Guild at the Beginning of the season and then showed him killing the Manotaur. So they have him established as out there somewhere.
'The Fat Queen' by fiester	Aug 9th, 2008 12:26:33 AM
Yes, that is absolutely supposed to be Oscar Wilde.
"Not a...Guild of...Calamitous Intent!" by DanielKurland	Aug 9th, 2008 12:40:11 AM
Wonderful episode. These last three have been on fire. It'll be wonderful to see the Monarch attacking the Venture Compound and coming across the orb.
Definitely drawn differently. by Suzie Cuzie	Aug 9th, 2008 12:45:08 AM
I can't believe I'm getting my panties in a bunch over this but it ruined it for me. It was almost undetectable at first but then I was like "this totally doesn't feel right". What happened?
Brought to you by SMOKING!!! by woggerman	Aug 9th, 2008 12:58:41 AM
Awesome. I love the build up. Can't wait for next week!
I am so into the plot of this show by Napoleon Park	Aug 9th, 2008 01:27:11 AM
that I hardly noticed that this episode was only marginally funny until it was over. With all the complicated plots, unresolved mysteries, literary references and character interrelationships, this show is well on the way to being the "Lost" of animation. Take it how you want but I mean that as very high praise.
Only reason i even watch Adult Swim anymore... by Atomica	Aug 9th, 2008 01:49:29 AM
I've got every Family Guy comitted to memory, The don't show Home Movies or anything really intelligent or witty anymore. No Brak. Space Ghost. Sealab. Futurama. ATHF is getting lame. Hell even show me some good imports like Cowboy Bebop, ScryAd, Fooly Cooly, Trigun...That fucking Tim and Eric aren't even goddamned cartoons. Yeah, Venture is the last Scion of the once great Adult Swim. Sad...
Only reason i even watch Adult Swim anymore... by Atomica	Aug 9th, 2008 01:49:32 AM
I've got every Family Guy comitted to memory, The don't show Home Movies or anything really intelligent or witty anymore. No Brak. Space Ghost. Sealab. Futurama. ATHF is getting lame. Hell even show me some good imports like Cowboy Bebop, ScryAd, Fooly Cooly, Trigun...That fucking Tim and Eric aren't even goddamned cartoons. Yeah, Venture is the last Scion of the once great Adult Swim. Sad...
Hooray for the return of Col. Gathers! by SID 8.0	Aug 9th, 2008 02:56:23 AM
He reminds me of Mrs./Mr. Garrison. All that work done but they won't touch the face. Great ep. not a lot of laughs but it doesn't need it to be great. The Orb reminded me of Brisco County Jr. too like a lot of other TBers. Kano speaks!
Smoking! by Evil Lincoln	Aug 9th, 2008 03:07:41 AM
I about fell out of my chair laughing at that line in the show. I'm sure it's a reference to the classic Flintstone "Winston Cigarette" adds or at least how just about every show in the 50's/60's was sponsored by a tobacco company.
why did someone say it was a take on watchmen? by bacci40	Aug 9th, 2008 04:35:50 AM
it was a take on league of extraordinary gentlemen...with the authors replacing the characters...totally brilliant
Weird but... by Doc_Hudson	Aug 9th, 2008 04:39:06 AM
Cool.....By the end I thought my head was gonna explode. "DONT ASK ME WHAT I DID FOR THAT MONEY" Classic
the writers are stretching their wings by bacci40	Aug 9th, 2008 04:43:50 AM
not every epi has to be knock down funny...this one was brilliant with lots of subtle humor and some lol sight gags and lines...one of the best shows on tv and the only thing keeping adult swim afloat...who is the idiot that greenlit fat guy stuck in the internet?
No, if Joss Whedon wrote an episode... by magic_ninja	Aug 9th, 2008 07:22:52 AM
Then a character would turn gay for no reason.
bacci40 I'll take the blame for Watchmen by InActionMan	Aug 9th, 2008 10:11:21 AM
When I semi spoiled the ep in another thread I said "We see a parody of a famous graphic Novel by Alan Moore" I was talking about "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" but, I knew some would think "Watchmen" as this has been a rumor about season 4. Someone took the bait.
DanielKurland, you may have called the season finale by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 9th, 2008 10:13:37 AM
I never even thought about the Monarch getting a hold of it at the end of the season, but the fact they've been building up a huge Monarch onslaught on the compound (potentially w/o Brock; The car taking him out temporarily would give a great window of opportunity for the Monarch)along with Dr. Venture stowing the Orb in the compound makes me think you're on to the cliffhanger of the season. Hell, Maybe Tim-Tom and Kevin get it insanity ensues!
Now that they've established the Rusty Venture Cartoon by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 9th, 2008 10:16:52 AM
we've now got a whole other vehicle in which Doc and Jackson can use to create episodes. I would love to see one of those episodes a la' House of Mummies. And I'm surprised nobody noted how Rusy comes on screen and rotates like Speed Racer. Classic use of subtle allusion.
InActionMan...ok by bacci40	Aug 9th, 2008 10:41:00 AM
but damn...they captured o'neil's artwork perfectly...hope someone was paying attention...cuz the real league would make a brilliant animated adventure
If Brock is injured... by MCVamp	Aug 9th, 2008 11:38:18 AM
And the Monarch's attack is immediate (which would be appropriate for the way this season's been going) you've got the default "new" Team Venture all gathered at the compound: Rusty, Hank, Dean, White, Billy, and Orpheus; plus the Alchemist (who as we've seen was an old member of a Jonas Venture youth club with Phantom Limb and Richard Impossible.) Granted, the only one with any use in a fight at all is Orpheus, but Rusty's matured slightly and may be ready to lead a "real" Team Venture. Which probably means Jonas Venture Sr is going to screw everything up in the finale. (Totally knew Kano was going to reveal secrets eventually.) Ahh, love this show.
All The Rappers in the Top 10... by Aquatarkusman	Aug 9th, 2008 11:52:45 AM
... please allow Kano to bump thee. I'm guessing Colonel Venture, if he was offed by his bodyguard in the 1890s, is probably Rusty's great-grandfather and Jonas' grandfather, meaning there's probably one intervening, unrevealed generation.
The Tesla Reference by TheAllSeeingEye	Aug 9th, 2008 11:56:11 AM
Is a gag. The guild is fractured and Tesla is on the other side. We know in the future that David Bowie is the head of the Guild of Calamitous Intent. Bowie, of course, played Tesla in "The Prestige". :D
I THought It Was The Band Tesla by Aquatarkusman	Aug 9th, 2008 12:17:27 PM
Love is... all around youuuuu... love is knockin'... outside your dooororor.
Rusty Venture Cartoon by fiester	Aug 9th, 2008 12:39:50 PM
Here's a weird question: is the Rusty Venture Cartoon supposed to be animated or live-action? Because I can't tell. Ha! And I would love to see 21 and 24 get their hands on the orb.
A little Paul Is Dead in here, too. by ZeroCorpse	Aug 9th, 2008 02:10:34 PM
The whole thing with Billy finding clues in the cartoons, and the clues pertaining to modern things was a slice out of the current "Paul is Dead" subculture. I wouldn't be surprised if someone says the words "I am a phony!" in some future episode. So Brock's freelance now? What's up with that?
Seeing that we are jumping Venture generations by PhilipMarlowe	Aug 9th, 2008 03:23:24 PM
Wonder if they will ever reveal Rusty and JJ's mother.
still hilarious by kungfuhustler84	Aug 9th, 2008 05:53:38 PM
never fails
Has Rusty become a more likeable character? by one_crazy_nagger	Aug 9th, 2008 06:04:01 PM
The most interesting thing about the show so far is the transition of Rusty since season 1. He may not be as smart or cunning like his father or JJ, and he detests living in their shadows, but he has somehow found the courage to overcome temptation - twice this season. Maybe he's become less of a failure? Or, is the stage being set for his greatest screw up of all time?
Oscar Ding Dong Wilde! by Mockingbuddha	Aug 9th, 2008 08:07:22 PM
Best show on TV. I read people complaining about the lack of funny, but lately this show has me on the edge of my seat the majority of the time, and I laugh out loud at least five times per ep. Don't really see a problem here myself.
Did I see Lincoln at that Guild meeting ? by JohnnyFriendly	Aug 9th, 2008 10:15:48 PM
in a Captain Pike style wheelchair life sustaining vehicle ? And maybe Kano took the vow of silence because he was SUPPOSED to kill Venture Sr. but didn't.
ATOMICA...You Double posting NOOB! by Cheif Brody	Aug 9th, 2008 11:47:56 PM
Crawl back into yer mom's dilapidated womb...and come out when you can actually appreciate a VB episode!
Storyboards for Orb by bucho	Aug 10th, 2008 08:42:22 AM
Some for Tears of a Sea Cow, too. http://boydmonkey.blogspot.com /
bacci40 -- thanks that went right past me by Oknight	Aug 10th, 2008 12:21:49 PM
I didn't for a second pick up that the guild were the AUTHORS of the League characters-- duh. I was thinking it was just using prominent figures of the era to parody the League. Color me dumb. I also totally missed the Bowie/Tesla connection, though I've been assuming that Rock-star Bowie is a "creation" of the shape-shifting Sovereign and therefore, now, perhaps Tesla himself who created a rock act persona in the '70s. Put me in the "last 3 episodes have been fantastic" camp. I think this season's gotten better every episode since Dr. Quimm. I ASSUME that Kano FAKED the assassination of Rusty's dad and his return will be the big reveal (is he another Bowie identity?). I love the idea that the cliff-hanger is Tim-Tom and Kevin with the "ORB" (which probably does nothing).
Rusty Venture Opening by VictorNewman	Aug 10th, 2008 12:31:02 PM
Not only had the Speed Racer reference, but Rusty climbing up the rope in the fire and being trapped under the net is a nod to the old Spiderman cartoon opening.
oops by VictorNewman	Aug 10th, 2008 12:46:09 PM
I meant ending credits to Spiderman
Where can I stream the last few episodes? by samsquanch	Aug 10th, 2008 07:11:53 PM
I've had shit luck finding a site with anything past S3E7
"The House that coke built!" by Raymar	Aug 10th, 2008 11:05:25 PM
Lol! That was epic. Best ep of the season.
hey fiester by mrfantomashawk	Aug 10th, 2008 11:50:31 PM
its Fantomas, not phantomas a great french character, they have like 32 books staring him
my name should make alot more sense after this eppisode by mrfantomashawk	Aug 10th, 2008 11:54:08 PM
mrFANTOMAShawk
Actually... by The-Duke-of-New-York	Aug 11th, 2008 12:09:12 AM
mrfantomashawk, Phantomas is Phantom Limb's surname. It's a reference to Fantomas, certainly, but the Phantomas family is actually supposed to be more like the Phantom bloodline. Thus, the purple suit, and the fact that they were a force for good until Phantom Limb became a supervillain.
Rusty Venture: He's less of a douche than his dad! by LordEnigma	Aug 11th, 2008 02:40:55 AM
The Monarch is in for a world of hurt now. Rusty is starting to get his shit together. He also has a crew around him that may be better in a fight than the entire fucking cocoon. Rusty is working it out. Few developments have been cooler this season, then this one. Good stuff all around.
How many episodes are left? by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.	Aug 11th, 2008 05:13:23 AM
2? Haven't they had about 13 a season so far? This season went by really fast.
actually: The-Duke-of-New-York by mrfantomashawk	Aug 11th, 2008 08:28:08 AM
Other characters in that baloon were exact characters from literature and history, Fantomas was a Victorian era anti-hero, a robin hood of sort thief for the french, who wore that exact same outfit, with the exact same mask. And he didnt call him the phantom, he specifically called him Fantomas. Its also the name of one of Mike Pattons bands (which had one of the fantomas comics as the cover to their first album)which is probably right up jackson, and doc's taste in music seeing all the other musical icons and references he's put into the show.
Billy obsessing over minute detail in a cartoon series?? by skimn	Aug 11th, 2008 09:38:19 AM
Hello?? AICN'ers?? This show IS becoming the "Lost" of cartoon series.
mrfantomashawk/Duke-of-New-York. .. by MCVamp	Aug 11th, 2008 11:52:06 AM
You're both right. "Professor Phantomos" had the family portrait up in his office in "Invisible Hand of Fate." It sounded to me like Phantom Limb's ancestor (I believe the family name is specifically "Phantomos" on the show, but other than that the family line is more or less a carbon copy of Fantomas with elements of the Phantom thrown in, primarily the line of succession) was already starting to lean towards some sort of villainy. There was not yet a Guild of Calamitous Intent, but it seems pretty certain that at least one or two of the flashback characters founded the first antagonist Guild. -- And I wouldn't worry too much about what Kevin and Tim-Tom would do with the Orb. They'd probably just stab it. With a knife. "F***IN' KNIFE!"
Further thoughts after closed caption by Oknight	Aug 11th, 2008 11:54:15 AM
Noteworthy-- CC lists Fantomas as Phantom Limb, but Twain addresses him as Fantomas. Kano cannot be referring to Jonas Sr. when he says his silence is because he took a great man from this world because he was mute while with Jonas Sr.
Oknight, I noticed that too by Bloo	Aug 11th, 2008 01:05:27 PM
about the Fantomas/Phantomas/Phantom Limb thing, I wonder if the person doing the CC ASSUMED it was Phantom Limb and didn't consult I personally assumed the ORB was a refrence to Heavy Metal, totally didn't think aobut Brisco County Jr
Could the great man taken from this world be by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 11th, 2008 01:09:00 PM
Could Kano have potentially Jonas' father (aka Rusty's Grandfather)?. He's the only patriarchal Venture unaccounted for at this point in the family tree and Kano's old enough where he could have done it at a fairly young age either during or before his tenure as a Venture bodyguard.
Scriptgirl's Tits! by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 11th, 2008 01:10:14 PM
Just had to say that, because apparently that is more important than a really kick-ass story arc on the Venture Bros. Bah.
Yeah, the "great man" isn't Jonas Venture Sr. by MCVamp	Aug 11th, 2008 02:19:55 PM
Unless by "taken from this world" Kano meant he put Jonas in the Phantom Zone or something (which would be funny considering what Hank said last season.) Either Rusty's grandfather or something off the wall...like Benton Quest.
Closed Caption is meaningless, guys. by fiester	Aug 11th, 2008 03:17:07 PM
It's people doing the best they can to transcribe on the fly, for low pay, and not anything you can rely on for accuracy. But if you've been watching all along you know that character was supposed to be one of Phantom Limbs famous ancestors and Phantom Limb's family name is Phantomos. There's obviously an homage to the comic pages character the Phantom in his name and costume and probably some nod to this other French character as well.
fiester? by Oknight	Aug 11th, 2008 06:41:05 PM
So the CC guy thought it was supposed to be Phantom Limb and was smart enough to spell Twain's comment Fantomas? I have no idea how CC works per show-- do they ever use scripts? And how could the CC guy possibly hear that damn thing-- I was watching CC to figure out what the hell the cylinder recording was saying-- not to mention Billy's lisping and the overlaying rapid-fire muttered lines-- Jesus.
Jackson Publick Blog by sevenrivera	Aug 11th, 2008 06:55:08 PM
I've heard references in the talk backs to JP's blog or something. Does anybody have a link? I'd really like to get his take on some of these last episodes. They are awesome.
The Orb. by Clumzor	Aug 11th, 2008 08:28:32 PM
Was I the only one that half expected Pinhead to pop out of the orb?
Jackson Publick's Blog by Bustermann	Aug 11th, 2008 10:06:04 PM
is: http://jacksonpublick.livejour nal.com/ Always lots of great info and Jackson often responds in the comments.
Jackson Publick's Blog - correct address by Bustermann	Aug 11th, 2008 10:07:39 PM
http://jacksonpublick.livejour nal.com/
Getting tired of the guild stuff by Dazzler69	Aug 12th, 2008 06:59:11 AM
I hate that they are forced to follow rules for "arching". In previous seasons it was just in the background, in the foreground it's not as interesting. Monarch should be able to go after Rusty anytime he wants.
Dazzler69, I think it's a testament to the writers by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 12th, 2008 07:34:28 AM
By introducing guild rules, Doc and Jackson are forcing themselves to not be complacent as to how to introduce conflict between the major players in the show. It's really quite admirable and forces them to think creatively. But that's just my 2 cents.
Hey Donny... by KCViking	Aug 12th, 2008 07:29:24 PM
Finally finished season 2 and fairly caught up on season 3. Now I understand what you meant about the terrific job the guys do at writing and incorporating myriad characters,plots,etc. Victor,Echo,November is a perfect example! Still think my favorite episode is 20 Years to midnight...IGNORE ME!!! Thanks again for turning me on to this show!
Also... by KCViking	Aug 12th, 2008 07:32:03 PM
Great to see that Brock is a minnesota viking fan! Check out his headphones in the last episode...I need a pair of those.
KCViking by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Aug 13th, 2008 07:20:35 AM
Welcome to the cult!
Granpa Venture ancestor of the Monarch as well? by hst666	Aug 13th, 2008 12:58:46 PM
His voice sometimes sounded a bit Monarchish, especially when he was arguing with the ancestor of Phantom Limb.
Voice Similarities by sevenrivera	Aug 13th, 2008 01:59:15 PM
If the show has one flaw, and it's a minor one, it's that they need to expand their vocal talent base a little bit. As the number of characters expands, there are too many characters being voiced by too few people. The fact that Grandpa Venture sounds like the Monarch isn't a clue, it's a staffing issue. Same with No. 21 and Dermott sounding so similar. Several other characters as well. Again, it's a minor minor flaw in what is otherwise all awesomeness.

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