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Sometimes, expectations are exceeded…Welcome to that day. Capone reviews INCEPTION!!!

Hey, everyone. Capone in Chicago here. When I ran the Ain't It Cool contest for tickets to the Chicago INCEPTION screening last week, I asked those who entered to tell me what they thought the film was about when they saw the first trailer. Now having seen it twice, I can say with complete confidence that nobody, including me, came even close to capturing just what this miraculous effort accomplishes. The first thing you have to realize is that INCEPTION isn't simply a movie; it's a symphony of images, ideas, performances, and, yes, music that is meant to continue on living and breathing in your head long, long after you've taken it all in. And it is absolutely crucial that you see INCEPTION twice before you really form your opinion on it. The work is not confusing, but it is dense and layered and complicated and is a powerful exercise in using your brain. Don't let any of that scare you. See it the second time wasn't as much about clearing things up as it was making a select few fuzzy moments become crystal clear and tightly focused in my mind. Another thing you must realize about INCEPTION (and this may be something you've figured out long ago) is that writer-director Christopher Nolan's brain works differently than the rest of us humans. His eyes see the world as something that needs deconstructing and rearranging. This is evident going all the way back to his first feature FOLLOWING, but it really became clear with 2000's MEMENTO, a mystery that was only a mystery because the story was told in reverse through the eyes of a man with no short-term memory. Perhaps the only truly disappointing thing about Nolan's work on BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT is that he doesn't quite have the free to tinker with reality. But that doesn't mean he isn't playing up the psychological elements of the plot. Sure, The Joker is the villain, but he's a villain in who we see fractured pieces of ourselves. He's the sum total of a broken society and the ugliest parts of human behavior. But INCEPTION shatters all expectations that Nolan has demanded we have of him. Much of what we think we know up to this point about the film is a lie. The trailers have been somewhat misleading. Many of the money shots we've seen up to this point (such as the awe-inspiring image of an entire city folding over on itself) are not especially important to the overall story. Even the plot synopsis that have been released (with the exception of the final press notes) have been guiding audiences to think this movie is about a man who is hired by corporate giants to protect their executives from a technology that allows people to go into your dreams and steal your secrets. This is, in fact, what the character Dom Cobb (Leonardo DiCaprio) does for a living, but that's not really what he does in this movie. When I ran my contest, I also had a lot of people draw comparisons between INCEPTION and films like THE MATRIX or DARK CITY or DREAMSCAPE or a half-dozen other landmark sci-fi films. But no, Inception is entirely it's own movie. Actually, the one movie it kind of did remind me of was, of all things, THE STING, for the simple reason that Nolan's story is about the "long con," and I didn't notice this until the second time I viewed it. When Cobb is asked by an exec played by Ken Watanabe (THE LAST SAMURAI; BATMAN BEGINS) to implant an idea into someone's subconscious so deep that the target (Cillian Murphy, playing the son of a dying energy-company head) thinks the idea came from his own thought process, he takes the job because it will restore his life of exile away from his children, whose faces he's unable to conjure in his memory. The element that takes INCEPTION from great to fucking brilliant is the layer of tension that is added to the mix by Cobb's psychological instability. He's the man in charge, he's partially responsible for training and concocting the scheme that will fulfill the contract, and he's got issues of the mind that would keep a psychiatrist's kids in Ivy League schools from kindergarten on up. There are very few actors of DiCaprio's caliber and age that could pull off a role this complicated. Actually, there might not be anyone. He thrives when he's loaded with angst. Cobb is not that different than the character he played in SHUTTER ISLAND. At times, they are uncomfortably similar--both dealing with dead wife issues, often never sure what is real and what isn't. But Cobb is aware of his weaknesses; he just refuses to actually deal with them, even if it compromises the safety and lives of his team. Like any expansive long con, the man in charge needs a team, each member of which has a specialty. Cobb's regular partner is Arthur (Joseph Gordon-Levitt), a guy who basically is a back-up Cobb. He's the micromanages the job while Cobb provides the big picture. Levitt gets a dialogue-free, anti-gravity sequence that serves as a portion of the film's climax that seals his status as one of the coolest actors on the planet. BRONSON's Tom Hardy is the cocksure Eames, who seems to be the expert in deceiving the mind. He can plant the idea that someone in your dream is a person you know (even if he's played by a member of Cobb's team), and then you have no choice but to see exactly what he wants you to see. He also knows how to blow shit up and shoot with remarkable accuracy. But he also has great insight into the best way to get this idea so deep into the mark's mind that it seems like an original thought. Dileep Rao (AVATAR) is a chemist, who designs sedatives to knock the subjects out in very specific ways. And in a wonderful sequence set in Paris, Cobb recruits a new "architect" named Ariadne (JUNO's Ellen Page), an actual architecture student who must design each level of dream in such a way that the mark doesn't realize they are dreaming. To say too much more about the plot would be criminal, because the truest joy of watching Inception is watching the plan come together and then fall apart, all the while the team is adjusting and recalculating. Not surprisingly, in order for them to plant this choice thought deep enough in Murphy's head, the team must go several levels of dream deep. I think at one point, there are five levels of existence happening at the same time (if you include reality, which has very little screen time here), and all are meticulously timed to converge at the same time. That's pretty tough considering the deeper you go, the slower time seems to pass (five minutes in the real world=one hour in the first level of dreamland). As much as INCEPTION might seem like the worst physics or chemistry final you ever took, it's not a purely intellectual experience. Cobb's twisted tale concerning his wife's death is carefully parceled out during the course of the film, and it's truly heart crushing stuff. I suppose we are always meant to assume that the possibility exists that the entire movie is a dream, but in the end, I don't think that really matters. I think more likely, we are meant to understand that Cobb is a man who feels more at home (if not at peace) in his dream world which he has unwisely populated with guilt-born memories (both happy and sad) of his life with wife Mal (Marion Cotillard of PUBLIC ENEMIES and LA VIE EN ROSE) and their children. A part of him knows that this is not really his beloved, but seeing her look so lovely is better than not seeing her at all. I hear you, buddy. I'll say it again: DiCaprio is at his best when he is drowning in angst. For a film that seems ripe for intellectual analysis, INCEPTION also has some tremendous action sequences, a great deal of humor (much of it from Hardy), and a real sense of mischief--after all, these are criminals, technically. And then there's that must-buy Hans Zimmer score that has already won an Oscar in my head. I particularly liked the bizarrely (yet perfectly) timed horn blasts that almost sounds like a Tuvan throat singing concert performed at the gates of hell. Forgetting the sweeping disappointment I've felt for a large percentage of the summer's releases, INCEPTION clears the decks of shit and sets the bar higher than it has been in quite some time (maybe since SHUTTER ISLAND; one day the two films will make a double-feature that will melt your brain). So get a good night's sleep before you see it, have a healthy breakfast, eat whatever you eat to increase brain power, leave your electronics in the car, and scream at anyone around you that distracts you from enjoying this film fully. Every once in a while, expectations are exceeded. Welcome to that day.
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  • July 14, 2010 7:49 PM CST

    FOIST

    by PeanutButterSlut

    LOLOLOL

  • July 14, 2010 7:50 PM CST

    Ahemm.....now that that is out of the way

    by PeanutButterSlut

    I can't wait to pirate Inception immediately after it hits the intrawaves!

  • July 14, 2010 7:51 PM CST

    If it was 3D

    by PeanutButterSlut

    They MIGHT have guaranteed an actual ticket from me.......

  • July 14, 2010 7:52 PM CST

    This will make or break not only my summer, but my mind.

    by CHUDfucker

    Failure is not an option with this film.

  • July 14, 2010 7:56 PM CST

    If only I can first an Obit

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Then my life's work will be complete

  • July 14, 2010 7:57 PM CST

    Mel's teetering on the edge

    by PeanutButterSlut

    SO maybe I can get a chance HA!!!!

  • It's not gonna do too well box office wise. But the critical acclaim may draw people in.

  • July 14, 2010 8:02 PM CST

    Ah but we need Mel

    by PeanutButterSlut

    On this planet..........................

  • July 14, 2010 8:03 PM CST

    Herc will not be telling Capone about THE EVENT

    by BillboeFett

    Because Capone doesn't watch TV

  • July 14, 2010 8:06 PM CST

    What if Shutter Island ended with...

    by The Dum Guy

    Him being insane AND everything that happend was supernatural?

    Now that would be a twist.

  • July 14, 2010 8:18 PM CST

    Doomed to fail

    by Manatee

    Will draw awesome first weekend totals and then fade into box office oblivion like a thousand other classic films idiotic Americans ignored. I can hear the kids now... "This is stupid!"

  • July 14, 2010 8:25 PM CST

    Only movie I really want to see this summer

    by thatswhatshesaid

    Have only read stellar reviews or bad ones. Not much in between.

  • July 14, 2010 8:25 PM CST

    Thank God this isn't in 3D.

    by Stifler's Mom

    I might actually forget that I'm watching a movie and get caught up in a story.

  • July 14, 2010 8:30 PM CST

    Ironically, this movie probably would be tight in 3D

    by terry1978

    But that's how it goes.

  • July 14, 2010 8:43 PM CST

    EBERT gave it 4 stars

    by PinkFloyd7

    ...which means Armond White will give it zero stars.

  • July 14, 2010 8:43 PM CST

    No, this movie would NOT be great in 3D

    by BadMrWonka

    Nolan has said that to direct in 3D, you have to give up like half the tools at your disposal as a director. there are certain shots you can't do hand-held, certain times you can't pan a certain way, or you're forced to use a sub-par prime lens because you need the light that you're going to lose later. Nolan is a visual master, I hope he never is forced or coerced in to the crappy medium of 3D.

    I don't care about movies like Avatar or Alice in Wonderland being in 3D, because the story isn't that important (or interesting), it's just a visual spectacle, just a ride at universal studios, basically. and that's fine. but please don't push for movies like this to be in 3D. please. don't dumb down the masterpieces by the few great directors we still have left. I'm begging you.

  • July 14, 2010 8:49 PM CST

    as for the Box Office

    by BadMrWonka

    since the Sorcerer's Hairpiece will siphon a little of the audience, I bet this falls at about $60 for the weekend, but I think it'll have a lot stronger legs than people are giving it credit for. once the kiddies have been taken to the crapfest with Cage this weekend, the adults will be free in the coming weeks to see the movie that their friends and co-workers will be talking about.

    I bet it makes $170 million domestic gross, which is huge, but it's budget is reportedly $160 million, so who knows how success will be measured.

  • July 14, 2010 8:49 PM CST

    Can't wait until Friday, ok, I can, I have to

    by SoylentMean

    Mind put to it.

  • July 14, 2010 8:54 PM CST

    PinkFloyd7: You are correct sir

    by Lukecash

    White hated every Nolan picture so far, he is particularly vicious on this one.

  • July 14, 2010 8:54 PM CST

    What if I utterly fucking hated "Shutter Island"

    by Holeman

    Am I still going to like this? "Shutter Island" to me was a fucking lazy movie. It hinged on the 'plot twist' that NO ONE who has read more than three books in their lives couldn't have seen coming and it destroyed the movie for me. If it turns out he's in a fucking coma or he's in an insane asylum at the end, I'm going to be very, very pissed off.

  • July 14, 2010 8:54 PM CST

    Would have appreciated a SPOILER warning

    by Darth Valinorean

    ...

  • July 14, 2010 8:55 PM CST

    Holeman, if you think Shutter Island "hinged on the plot twist"

    by SoylentMean

    um, yeah, you're wrong. The whole point was knowing he was insane. Shutter Island is a brilliant fucking film.

  • July 14, 2010 8:55 PM CST

    Looking forward to this...

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    I've been a Nolan fan ever since Memento, and the only film of his I haven't completely loved was Insomnia (I liked it; I just thought the whole "endgame/shootout" in the final minutes of the movie was a bit Hollywood-conventional and disappointing). But this film has gotten raves from every reviewer I trust, so I am now beyond psyched. Can't wait.

  • July 14, 2010 8:55 PM CST

    although, look what it has going for it

    by BadMrWonka

    -first movie post Dark Knight from Nolan, that is a huge draw

    -universally great reviews from critics and preview screenings

    -Leonardo DiCaprio, hot off a HUGE role for him in the crazily successful Shutter Island

    -a great supporting cast of indie darlings that might attract some hipsters that don't normally go to blockbusters on opening weekend

    -an intriguing plot that inspires real curiosity, not just a "what's the twist?" mindset

    -crazy special effects

    -lots of IMAX screenings, and their obvious upcharge -a (possibly) welcome break from 3D

    -only one real bit of competition, with the Sorcerer's Hairpiece, which could possibly underperform (reviews have been shitty...that won't keep kids away, but it could steer some casual moviegoers towards Inception)

    I don't know, this could be a real blockbuster. it could just go crazy, make $80 million this weekend, and over $250 domestic. it's possible...

  • July 14, 2010 8:57 PM CST

    Shutter Island melted my brain??

    by RedJester

    Waiting in line for the Shutter Island premiere, me and my friend joked about how funny it would be if it had a lame and obvious ending like, I dunno, him being a mental patient the entire time or some obvious shit like that. And then that's what happened. Granted it was a good movie regardless but don't tell me it had a clever M. Night Shyamalan ending. It didn't.

  • July 14, 2010 8:58 PM CST

    Does it have a soul?

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Nolan's films seem to lack a soul.

  • July 14, 2010 8:58 PM CST

    Fuck 3d, excellent review Capone

    by shaft478

    Who gives a shit about 3d? Your review made me want to see this even more then I already did. Love this kinda shit

  • July 14, 2010 8:59 PM CST

    Inception WOULD be better in 3D

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    An excellent match of subject matter and technology. And 3D - good 3D - doesn't compromise a damn thing as far as the filmmaking process is concerned. That's a complete misnomer. If Nolan said that, which I don't believe he did, it shows how out of his depth he is when confronted by a technology he doesn't undertsand. Of course, the guy is on record as saying that he WILL use 3D down the road, if the audience demands it.

    Bad Mr. Wonka care to elucidate how '3D dumbs down masterpieces'? A truly baffling statement.

  • July 14, 2010 9:00 PM CST

    It doesn't really matter what the opening weekend take is...

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    What really matters is the crucial second weekend, and that's where I think this movie will crush Sorcerer's Hairpiece and everything else out there (besides TS3). From everything I'm hearing, this is the kind of movie that demands, inspires and rewards multiple viewings. Plus, word of mouth after the opening weekend is going to draw the curious. This thing looks like it's gonna have legs like Tina Turner.

  • July 14, 2010 9:00 PM CST

    The Twist in Shutter Island did suck

    by BigTuna

    But that's the book's fault. The book isn't great, kind of crappy actually. This is one film that IS better than the book. The style and entertainment of the first half of the film is incredible. Too bad the story falls apart in the last act.

  • July 14, 2010 9:02 PM CST

    read this line from Armond White's review of Inception

    by BadMrWonka

    tell me this is not one of the worst sentences you've ever read in a review:

    "Inception proves this is Nolan’s moment—a beginning-of-the-end moment for film culture, ha, ha—because it’s conceived to amuse an era hungry for hokum and a geek audience who, after his gross The Dark Knight pulled in $500 million, is primed for more baroque fantasia."

    fucking what? this guy is a complete idiot. he just gets off on hating anything that everyone else likes. how can he still have a job?

  • July 14, 2010 9:02 PM CST

    Inception will make around $200 million domestic

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    And about $600 million + worldwide. Mark it.

  • July 14, 2010 9:04 PM CST

    3D doesn't compromise a damn thing as far as the filmaking proce

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    Only if all of your scenes are shot in blinding daylight and day-glo colors. Otherwise, it's going to look murky and muddled. Exactly what 3D movies have you seen lately (besides Avatar)?

  • July 14, 2010 9:07 PM CST

    Armond White is retarded

    by RedJester

    Hate that guy.

  • July 14, 2010 9:07 PM CST

    I'm ONLY talking about Avatar quality native 3D...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Not the horrible, horrible conersion shit that was used in Titans, Alice, and Last Fartbender. I think this is the problem. People get the two confused. If you shoot in darkened interiors, you overlight the sets to compromise, since they will be appropriately darkened in 3D.

  • July 14, 2010 9:09 PM CST

    He's the Uwe Boll of movie critics.

    by RedJester

  • July 14, 2010 9:09 PM CST

    Armond White = poker-faced satirist

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Nobody could be that stupid...could they?

  • July 14, 2010 9:11 PM CST

    Hope Nolan gets his neuroscience right this time...

    by zinc_chameleon

    last time, in Memento, I had to go and work it out for my Psychology students. It turns out Nolan had the right execution, but *not* the right idea about anterograde amnesia. Think I'm kidding? I'm not. It's called 'lateralized hippocampal damage', and it explains *all* of Lenny's behaviour. I'll bet Nolan plays just as fast an loose with subconscious processing and especially with Lucid Dreaming. But I'll buy a ticket, just to be sure.

  • July 14, 2010 9:12 PM CST

    Why aren't AICN reviews included on RT?

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Not that I give a rat's ass about RT, but it'd still be nice for it to go back to 90% after douchebags like White flamed it just so they could say "Look at me! I went against the grain ha ha."

  • July 14, 2010 9:13 PM CST

    But if you overlight the sets to compromise...

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    Then those scenes will be excessively bright when not viewed in 3D. The two mediums are not really compatible for the types of "dark" movies made by directors like Nolan. 3D seems to work exceptionally well for animated/CGI movies (since they tend to be naturally overlit anyway), but not much else.

  • July 14, 2010 9:17 PM CST

    Didn't Shutter Island end with ...

    by SloPoke23

    The protagonist being cured but faking a relapse so that he would be lobotomized?

  • July 14, 2010 9:20 PM CST

    Flint Vs Zartan is the coolest Sideshow sculpt ever.

    by CodeName

  • July 14, 2010 9:21 PM CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    by BadMrWonka

    "Bad Mr. Wonka care to elucidate how '3D dumbs down masterpieces'?"

    I don't believe it does, or at least, it hasn't yet. Because all of the movies that have come out in 3D have either been animated (Toy Story 3, Avatar) and so not subject to the restrictions, turned to 3D in post (so that my complaints about restrictions on the filmmakers aren't relevant), and UNIVERSALLY reviled for looking like crap (Clash of the Titans) or so godawful stupid (or just simplistic) from inception, that 3D is not ruining any chance of them being a masterpiece (Journey to the Center of the Earth, Spy Kids 3D, Avatar.

    Inception is a good example a movie that would be TERRIBLE in 3D. it's easy to watch the ground curling up in a spiral and go, "OOOH, that would be neat in 3D! CLAP CLAP CLAP" but it's not as simple as that. 3D means the budget goes up by a SHIT TON. that means less money for longer shooting, better actors, extended action sequences, etc. And even if you don't know about them, there are very specific restrictions on filmmakers if they are shooting for 3D. they're not negligible. There are lenses the size of a McDonald's hamburger that cost tens of thousands of dollars, they are so precise and finely made. an guess who likes to use them? director's like Christopher Nolan. guess what kind of lenses you couldn't ever think of using if you're shooting 3D? you see where I'm going with this?

    Nolan was pretty diplomatic talking about 3D in general, conversion vs shooting, giving the public what they want, etc. but he didn't mince words about the same technical drawbacks that I was talking about. here are some excerpts:

    about theater projection and brightness: "[...]I find the dimness of the image extremely alienating. The truth of it is, when you watch a film you’re looking at 16 foot-lamberts. When you watch it through any of the conventional 3-D processes you get about 3 foot-lamberts. It’s a massive difference."

    on resolution of image, shooting, and lenses: "It requires shooting on video, if you mask it to 2.40 you’re only getting 800 or 900 lines of resolution. You have to use a beam-splitter. [this is the device that splits the light into different parts, for the 3D conversion later] There are enormous compromises, in other words.”

    shooting in 3D isn't going to mess up the work of hack directors, or even mediocre ones just hired to do the studio's bidding. but if the format gets pushed too far too quickly, you'll end up with directors like Nolan forced into accepting a post-conversion if they want their movies to get made. and I don't think that's right.

    people make the comparison that filmmakers were initially resistant to shooting in color, but I don't think it's comparable. this is a fundamentally different way of viewing and experiencing a film. I'm happy it's becoming another option for studios, but the fact of the matter is, it has very little to do with creativity or innovation, and much more to do with upcharges and the bottom line.

    I'm not a "stick your head in the sand" kind of guy, I love new technology, but filmmakers should be able to choose the format they think will best fit their project. and for Nolan, 3D clearly is not it.

  • July 14, 2010 9:24 PM CST

    I'm not going to read all that.

    by RedJester

    And it's not like Shutter Island was a poorly done film, it wasn't. It just wasn't that great of a twist either.

  • July 14, 2010 9:24 PM CST

    NOLAN>>>>>>>>>CAMERON

    by sansara07

    Cameron must be frothing at the mouth at the amount of adulation Nolan and Inception are receiving. Cameron spent $300M and five years on tree hugging bright color bullshit. Nolan has spent less than two years making a masterpiece that kicks Avatar's blue butt into touch. And Nolan's previous film was the cultural touchstone that was TDK. Nolan has now made the two best films of the 21st century thus far - TDK and Inception. Cameron has made the worst film of the 21st century so far - Avatar. And he also made the worst film of the 20th century - Titanic. Quite a distinction to have. Cameron must be in a catatonic stupor over what's happening over Inception. He can't fucking believe it. The King is dead. Long live the new king.

  • July 14, 2010 9:25 PM CST

    oops

    by BadMrWonka

    put a couple apostrophes in there that shouldn't be. sorry, typing fast in between poker hands.

  • July 14, 2010 9:27 PM CST

    Dolphins...I think Ridley Scott's chat with Quint

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    about the Alien prequels put paid to the objections about 'dark' photography being compromised.

  • July 14, 2010 9:31 PM CST

    Fa Fa Fooey--soul? Not really, sadly.

    by glasshalfempty

    Once again, I find myself longing to jump onboard the Nolan love train--but, yet again, with INCEPTION, he's gone and made a very, very cool movie that ended up leaving me absolutely cold. ...just like ALL of his previous movies. The raving positive reviews would like to convince you it's an emotional, as well as, intellectual experience--and the material is there--but I wasn't feelin' it. I really liked the movie, just didn't love it as much as hoped.

  • July 14, 2010 9:33 PM CST

    sansar/ nerd rage, I will chuckle as Avatar's rerelease

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    pushes it to over $3 billion worldwide. I hope it will further send you into paroxysms of bitter fury, and perhaps you can even post your suicide video on You Tube as a treat for us all. As for acclaim, considering that Avatar will soon have a better percentage than Inception on RT, and that Inception's chances at picking up best picture/director noms are up in the air at this point, I wouldn't tie my mast to the wind at this point. But then you're not the brightest spark, are you, son?

    But I certainly don't wish ill on Inception itself. I hope it does very well, and Nolan gets the opportunity to continue making projects at a huge budget level thanks to its success. But I wish nothing but the very worst for you.

  • July 14, 2010 9:35 PM CST

    "Anyone that doesn't like it is intellectually inferior."

    by terry1978

    That line has been used for so many films over so many decades it ain't funny. Yes, I do enjoy a decent film that is cerebral, but I would honestly say most of the guys I hang out with are not really into it, but I wouldn't hold it against them. Eventually all good movies get their due, even if it takes longer.

  • July 14, 2010 9:35 PM CST

    "Cameron has made the worst film of the 21st century so far"

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Yes, of course he has. Worse than Jonah Hex, The Last Airbender and Disaster Movie. Step down, Armond White; there's a new King Troll in town!

  • July 14, 2010 9:37 PM CST

    And 3D is still a gimmick.

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    It was a gimmick in the '50's when it was introduced, it was a gimmick in the late '70's and early '80's when it was revived, and it's a gimmick now. Part of that is due to the limitations of its photo-realism. 3D is not actually 3D - it's 2D. Standard movies are one-dimensional. "3D" simply raises one field of vision above another, making it two-dimensional. The drawback of that, however, is that 3D movies don't actually have photo-realistic depth, only the illusion of it. In certain scenes of any 3D movie, it becomes painfully obvious that the image is not truly three-dimensional, merely elevated above the surrounding images. Until 3D develops to the point that the images themselves are more than flat, one-dimensional images superimposed over other flat, one-dimensional images, 3D will always be a gimmick.

  • July 14, 2010 9:39 PM CST

    Ebert gives it 4 stars

    by Jared

    http://j.mp/1OPcfw

  • July 14, 2010 9:46 PM CST

    Struggling to believe the hype

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

  • July 14, 2010 9:47 PM CST

    so fucking excited

    by Kammich

    listened to Zack Hemsey's "Mind Heist" from the trailers while reading this review. haven't been this excited for a summer flick in quite some time, and i'm not even a huge Nolan fan. I'm really tempted to see it at midnight tomorrow night, but I think i'm going to wait until Friday afternoon, get blazed, and see it in IMAX. maybe if time and money permit, i'll just see it at midnight and then again in IMAX about 12 hours later.

  • July 14, 2010 9:50 PM CST

    Might as well say standard film is a 'gimmick' by that

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    rationale. Film is not a 'mirror' of real life sensory acuity anyway; the whole medium IS an illusion anyway. What determines if something is a 'gimmick' or not is if it actually brings something to the table - whether married to the artistic possibilites of film language (and I've talked about this at great length before), or whether it provides a sensory stimulus like color or sound. And I believe quality 3D does both. It has little to do with 3D mirroring real life optics.

  • July 14, 2010 9:55 PM CST

    Upon 2nd viewing of Shutter Island....

    by Razorsox

    it really is a mediocre film at best. The poster above who mentioned that this film gets a pass because of St. Martin is dead on. LDC gave a good a performance but it makes me nervous when Capone says that Inception and Shutter Island would be a perfect double feature because Shutter Island literally put me to sleep the second time.

  • July 14, 2010 9:59 PM CST

    Funny how everything is NUMBERS with Avatar

    by sansara07

    Its either box office numbers or RT scores...perhaps if some people took off their Cameron tinted (3D) glasses, ventured out of their parent's basement they would realize how Avatar is reviled by everyone with an IQ over 80. Same goes for Titanic. It seems poor old Jim Cameron can only score hits by catering to people who like bright colors or corny love stories. Or both. When you have nothing left to defend a piece of shit with, its natural to resort to NUMBERS. How sad. Oh, and Jim is now rocking back and forth in a dark room over Inception's adulation.

  • My personal top 3 so far are: 1. Book of Eli 2. How to Train Your Dragon 3. Toy Story 3 What is everyone else's top 3 in this shitty summer? Please no Tony Stark 2. Fav can't direct action to save his life. Has no vision for epic.

  • July 14, 2010 10:03 PM CST

    Just saw a private screening

    by SoupBack

    The movie is ambitious and meticulously crafted. However, it is a bit tiresome.

  • July 14, 2010 10:09 PM CST

    No, its critical acclaim as well...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Which I elaborated on, and which you choose to ignore. Anyway, I though even in terms of numbers Avatar was going to be the 'biggest bomb of all time' according to you trolls? How's that working out for you?

    "Avatar is reviled by everyone with an IQ over 80."

    The fact that I love the movie, and you do not, would certainly put paid to that fallacy.

    "Oh, and Jim is now rocking back and forth in a dark room over Inception's adulation."

    I highly doubt it, considering Avatar garnered plenty of acclaim of its own. Rather, Mr. Cameron will be sunning himself in Hawaii, raising a toast to Mr. Nolan, lighting cigars with $100 dollar bills, and communicating with BP heads about the oil crisis. He may also be reading this and pissing himself laughing at sansara07's posts.

    Keep dancing, monkey. You do provide me with enjoyable entertainment and the opportunity for creative flaming. You have your uses.

  • July 14, 2010 10:12 PM CST

    I hope Gabriel Gray makes a timely re-appearance

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    to wash the scum off the streets. How I laughed and fucking laughed, eh?

  • July 14, 2010 10:14 PM CST

    Please SPOIL for me if this is one of those "IT WAS ALL A DREAM"

    by ShavedLeatherPig

    Shutter Island Redux ?

  • July 14, 2010 10:16 PM CST

    or "IT WAS ALL IN HIS MIND" type movies...

    by ShavedLeatherPig

    Where the ending invalidates the entire story that you just witnessed... Shutter Island, St. Elsewhere, Identity, Repo Men, Dallas, Next, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.

  • July 14, 2010 10:17 PM CST

    I can't wait to see this, but THE PRESTIGE

    by Yourey

    was a let down in my opinion.

  • July 14, 2010 10:17 PM CST

    Razorsox: Kick-Ass, How to Train Your Dragon, and

    by CreasyBear

    Toy Story 3, . . . and Iron Man 2, though it admittedly wasn't nearly as involving and fun as the first one. (Yeah, I know that's four, but those are the ONLY four I really enjoyed.) Shutter Island was technically great, but yes, there's no way to argue that the twist wasn't supposed to be a twist, or that the audience didn't see it coming despite all the red herrings to the contrary. . . . I agree with you in general, though. Haven't seen Book of Eli yet.

  • July 14, 2010 10:20 PM CST

    I was excited till he said shutter island

    by skiff

    This whole mental disorder shit I find really boring.

  • July 14, 2010 10:21 PM CST

    No

    by Omar B

    So what you are saying is don't get totally stoned and blasted for this? Ok, guess I gotta pay attention.

  • July 14, 2010 10:23 PM CST

    ShavedLeatherPig: Those endings bother me a lot.

    by CreasyBear

    And why do it? For a twist used just for the sake of a twist? The Matrix falls into that category, too, in a way. Cool visuals, but none of the cool stuff we see in the matrix is "real" to the movie, so it's hard to get too excited about what happens there. Even with the "If you die in there, you really die" idea. Same with Nightmare on Elm Street.

    Don't cop-out with the fantasy elements, embrace them as the reality of the movie.

  • July 14, 2010 10:32 PM CST

    Armond White has got nothing on ol' Rex Reed.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Regarding INCEPTION, quote:

    "Like other Christopher Nolan head scratchers-the brainless MEMENTO, the perilously inert INSOMNIA, the contrived illusionist thriller THE PRESTIGE, the idiotic BATMAN BEGINS and the mechanical, maniacally baffling and laughably overrated THE DARK KNIGHT-this latest deadly exercise in smart-aleck filmmaking without purpose from Mr. Nolan's scrambled eggs for brains makes no sense whatsoever."

    HA!!! Good lord! Apparently, ol' Nancy-pants Reed "...consistently hate(s) [Nolan's] movies without exception...".

  • July 14, 2010 10:36 PM CST

    "I hope Gabriel Gray makes a timely re-appearance"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    He could turn this place UP. SIDE. DOWN.

  • July 14, 2010 10:45 PM CST

    NEEDS SPOILER WARNING!!!!

    by onezeroone

    Totally Ruined Marion Cotillaard's role in the movie you asshole.

  • July 14, 2010 10:47 PM CST

    like i said before this dyke is man crushing on Nolan

    by lesbionica_sixtynine

    following was good film, it foreshadowing of things to come with Memento and now with Inception.. ..The Prestige was an adaptation of the book and Insomnia was only directed by him i give him credit for his writing creativity, seriously how many of use could have written such a layered piece of work, let alone bring it to the silver screen for all to see... NONE OF US, unless we are chris nolan. yes am kissing his ass, and so what. the man has my respects... just like only a singer songwriter has my respects. If one can write a song and make it a hit and have it be original and just plain awesome, then dope. Nolan does this with this writing,directing and producing of this film, along with following and memento. yes yes dark knight was great but it was an established mythos. one in which he handled well and didn't "brian singer" it. go watch inception and come back and stop bitching.

  • July 14, 2010 10:53 PM CST

    good review man

    by zom-bot.com

    seriously. this place can get really negative just for the hell of it, and sometimes we need to remember what we are here for- to get news and opinion on cool things/entertainment. good review of a hopefully good movie. my fear is that it's 'deep for the sake of being deep' to the point of pretention. is there any of that, Capone?

  • July 14, 2010 10:56 PM CST

    Saw the film last night.

    by HorrorFan81

    Like Capone, I don't think I will be able to create a fully realized opinion of the film until I see it again.

    The only thing I can say for certain is that OLDBOY no longer has the coolest hallway fight scene of all time.

  • July 14, 2010 11:00 PM CST

    For anyone who's seen the movie..

    by odo19

    how are the action scenes in the film?? Has Nolan improved or he pretty much at the same level? I'm starting to get hyped up about the hallway fight after all these reviews praising it.

  • July 14, 2010 11:01 PM CST

    Oh....thanks horrorfan...

    by odo19

    I knew I should have reloaded before posting.

  • July 14, 2010 11:08 PM CST

    Watched Pink Floyds The Wall w/ Nolan

    by JasonZumwalt

    and I have to say that I am VERY excited by this. Strangely enough, the film has inspired him his entire career. However, I have a feeling that this film is a culmination of that inspiration. Can't wait for it.

  • July 14, 2010 11:10 PM CST

    odo19

    by HorrorFan81

    The action scenes are very well-done. Nolan has improved quite a bit.

  • July 14, 2010 11:28 PM CST

    HorrorFan81 - - - I thought that the coolest hallway fight scene

    by ShavedLeatherPig

    REPO MEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 14, 2010 11:33 PM CST

    ShavedLeatherPig

    by HorrorFan81

    Repo Men had the funniest hallway fight scene. I'll give it that.

  • July 15, 2010 12:03 AM CST

    YES, IT'S GREAT!

    by cinemixtape.com

    The only question that remains is HOW GREAT? To answer that question, I'll have to see it again. And again. And again.

  • July 15, 2010 12:04 AM CST

    can't believe not a single person has responded to THE EVENT pos

    by BillboeFett

    that said..

  • July 15, 2010 12:04 AM CST

    pos = postings

    by BillboeFett

  • July 15, 2010 12:06 AM CST

    Prefer 2 ½ D.

    by Dingbatty

  • July 15, 2010 12:06 AM CST

    loserguy3000

    by BillboeFett

    turn off your computer and stop caring what a small portion of the population thinks about movies. Go back to the 80s when all we had were newspaper critic reviews and Siskel & Ebert. You'll probably enjoy movies alot more, not thinking about Harry getting pwesents, box office predictions, and Ed Norton being hard to work with.

  • July 15, 2010 12:08 AM CST

    Inception is the new LOST for TB'ers to troll against

    by BillboeFett

    wheres lostboytexas, Jaka, Dioxholster, and that one pathetic fuck who probably ended up killing himself?

  • July 15, 2010 12:33 AM CST

    loserguy3000

    by Omar B

    If you bear such ill will about other people's opinons then why bother posting here? Seems a bit futile screaming about us expressing opinions when it would be easier for you to simply look away.

  • July 15, 2010 12:51 AM CST

    Spoiler warning

    by Capone

    Fine, I'll add the warning, but upon deep reflection, I realize there's no way to truly spoil this movie. There's no twist, or deep secret or fact that I could tell you that would ruin any aspect of INCEPTION.

  • July 15, 2010 1:07 AM CST

    Leo really likes those mind benders

    by RPLocke

    Shutter Island AND Inception in the same year.

  • July 15, 2010 1:22 AM CST

    CAPONE - should this have been converted to 3D??

    by JonChambers

  • July 15, 2010 1:23 AM CST

    Should be post-production converted to 3D & it'd be better!!!!

    by JonChambers

  • July 15, 2010 1:23 AM CST

    Hey loserguy3000, Inception is about talkbackers

    by Nerd Rage

    Corporate spies try to implant an idea into a mind and a battle ensues to decide how that idea is accepted or rejected. The same way directors implant ideas with their movies and talkbackers battle to decide how those ideas are accepted or rejected in our individual subconscious. Ha ha, I just ruined the movie for you, didn't I?

  • July 15, 2010 1:24 AM CST

    Dark mysterious scenes always play better in converted 3D!!

    by JonChambers

  • July 15, 2010 1:44 AM CST

    Shitty film...

    by Cinemaniax

    seen it last night in Montreal. Lost 2 1/2 hours of my life that I will never get back. Man, was that boring. Dont miss the beginning... it gives ya the end. Dumb, dumb, dumb :(

  • July 15, 2010 1:45 AM CST

    LoserGuy3000...

    by cornholiosbungholio

    ... well, you were right about one thing. Reading Capone's review, I knew that this is what I would feel about the movie. I have mentally made up my mind to like this movie. But the thing is, I don't care.

    I love movies. I love getting hyped up for movies by certain directors. I love watching trailers, looking at posters, buying the DVD, watching it over and over... Most of us here are in it for the love of cinema.

    Yes, there is a lot of hate and trolling here, but that is just another aspect of the movie experience. Reading some of the hate is really funny and sometimes you actually find something of value in a rant. It's just that, with the Internet and the age of DVDs, there is a whole new aspect to movie enjoyment. Earlier, we had to rely on newspaper snippets and specials on TV to know about movies. Nowadays, we meet on talkbacks and different fora to share our love and hate of movies and watch loads of features about movies on DVDs. And for some people, an Internet Avatar that they can use to blow off steam is the only thing that keeps them from becoming mental wrecks in life!

    I myself love movies by Kurosawa, Bergman, Truffut, Stone, Capra etc. but I also love movies that are sheer guilty pleasure - that people would rip you apart online for, such as Speed Racer and Transformers. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, there is no accounting for taste. People like/ hate what they like/ hate.

    End of rant!

  • July 15, 2010 1:47 AM CST

    See the original: Paprika

    by facsoki

  • July 15, 2010 1:51 AM CST

    I concur w/Capone's assessment

    by Mariusz

    This is Nolan's best film - next to the Batman flicks, of course. I need a 2nd viewing to take it all in - digest it better. Go see it.

  • July 15, 2010 2:04 AM CST

    Salt? WTF is Salt?

    by RPLocke

    Never heard of it.

  • July 15, 2010 2:14 AM CST

    DrPoo

    by RPLocke

    I saw a poster of it. I assumed it was one of those independent movies that gets shown n like 2 cities.

  • July 15, 2010 2:16 AM CST

    I wonder who will be the dissonante voice in AICN...

    by AsimovLives

    ... about this movie. Massa, perhaps?

  • July 15, 2010 2:19 AM CST

    thatswhatshesaid

    by AsimovLives

    The only negative review of INCEPTION i have read so far about INCEPTION spends more then half of it praising the movie and the people responsible for it. So, if even the negative reviews are mostly praises...

  • July 15, 2010 2:19 AM CST

    I don't trust anyone who says "I seen it"

    by MattmanReturns

    Never have, and never will.

  • July 15, 2010 2:20 AM CST

    Ridley Scott is doing Brave New World

    by Ray Gamma

    With DiCaprio

  • July 15, 2010 2:20 AM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by RPLocke

    Why? Hell, I know someone who saw it yesterday.

  • July 15, 2010 2:26 AM CST

    It's cool how I'm reading this review and...

    by Somerichs

    up pops JGL on Letterman talking about the very scene that Capone says makes him one of the coolest actors on the planet...

  • July 15, 2010 2:27 AM CST

    Ebert has a brillant last paragraph in his review:

    by AsimovLives

    To quote:
    "Christopher Nolan reinvented "Batman." This time he isn't reinventing anything. Yet few directors will attempt to recycle "Inception." I think when Nolan left the labyrinth, he threw away the map."

  • July 15, 2010 2:30 AM CST

    SoylentMean

    by AsimovLives

    I have to wait a whole week yet until i see it. But the good thing is, i start my summer vacations on the very same day.

  • July 15, 2010 2:34 AM CST

    Shutter Island was meh

    by Suskis

    Di Caprio was good, but you start questiononing reality in the 1rst minute of the movie. after 5 more minutes have passed you're almost sure. when he sees the woman drinking the air-glass, you're sure about it. the rest of the movie is useless, but well shot and acted.

  • July 15, 2010 2:53 AM CST

    Locke, it was a grammar complaint :)

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 15, 2010 2:55 AM CST

    Yourey

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Agree with you 100%. Can't wait for this movie, but did NOT like "The Prestige" at all.

  • July 15, 2010 2:55 AM CST

    z'

    by The Bicycle Sharer

  • July 15, 2010 3:31 AM CST

    CAPON: About spoiler warning

    by onezeroone

    You maybe right that there is no way to spoil any twist, but spoilers are not just about twists and reveals.

    Besides, even if Nolan doesn't present it as a twist [ala Shyamalan] doesn't mean one still can't be surprised by it.

  • July 15, 2010 3:54 AM CST

    INCEPTION - SPOILER CORRECTIONS

    by deanmail

    well i just came back from seeing Inception at a preview and like Nolans previous film Memento which I enjoyed and appreciated so much more the second time I watched it, with inception I found most of my energy directed towards following the storyline on the 4 different levels of reality instead of being relaxed and enjoying the film. The movie is extremely clever and challenging and has no boring moments at all but that intellectualism does take away from the more emotional aspects which only seem to reveal themselves towards the end. I also kept thinking of Watchmen while watching this film in terms of knowing a film IS quality and IS clever and well made but just doesnt have that rapport building with an audience that will bring in the box office. The only reason why I care about a movie like this making money as thats a barometer to producers who will fund more original films like Inception and Watchmen only when those kinda films DO make money and with this one despite how much I will see it again and despite the fact I will buy it on blu or dvd just to see the extra scenes of how he constructed the rules and architecture and timeline that governs each dreamscape. Speaking of which anotehr knod to Memento was the use of TIME within Inception. When a person goes into a dream, time moves faster, if a person moves into a dream WITHIN that dream time moves even faster still and so on to the point where when you cut back to reality, a one hour flight will mean someone can do months worth of work within a dream. Something I wouldve liked to see in Inception was the idea of time moving differently on each dream level, because the mission that Leonardo Di Caprios character was on seemed to be quite fast paced I didnt see him using that time to his advantage especially when he went into the deeper dreaming levels. And because relatively speaking the characters had so much time to complete their mission, they used other elemenst to add tension like the idea someone can get lost in limbo/coma if they go too deep into another person dream. That did not quite work for me and I wouldve preferred if Inception maybe made time random on each dream level so you would never know if the character were running out of time or not to implant the idea into the targets subconscious. All in all when Inception worked it was great but when they went into the targets fourth dream level / Cobbs unconscious ? I started to loose the plot a little

  • July 15, 2010 5:33 AM CST

    shutter island

    by oborostyle

    *spoiler* the second viewing of the film is fantastic because you already know the real setting and every dialog, every expression shines in a new light. like watching a differnt film ... and i think you can't finish this type of movie better than scorcese did with leos last dramatic line "i'd rather die as a hero then live as a monster" ... and giving the 2 hours mindfuck every justification to be that way.

  • July 15, 2010 5:48 AM CST

    Why do you care if a movie is in 3-D or not?

    by ganymede3010

    Every theater gives you the choice to watch it in 2-D also. So why in the fuck does everyone keep crying about 3-D? That's the most childest shit ever. I could see if 3-D was your only option, but fortunately for you crybabies there's more 2-D screens showing the movie at the same fucking theater. Get over yourselves you worthless cunts.

  • July 15, 2010 5:55 AM CST

    SHOULD I BRING A NOTEPAD TO INCEPTION?

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't have time to watch it twice.

  • July 15, 2010 5:58 AM CST

    I REALLY ENJOYED SHUTTER ISLAND

    by BringingSexyBack

    Yeah, you know he's crazy. But finding out the why and how is the real story, the real journey.

  • July 15, 2010 6:03 AM CST

    TO ME, MEMENTO IS NOLAN'S GREATEST FILM TO DATE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Inception sounds like a return to form, with lotsa cool FX added.

  • July 15, 2010 6:03 AM CST

    I LIKE TDK, I JUST DON'T LURVE IT

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 15, 2010 6:17 AM CST

    Here in Asia, it is showing TODAY

    by AxeEmAll

    I just returned from watching the movie twice. I just like to say that the final shot of the movie for me is not for the movie per se, but a parting message of Chris Nolan to all of us to aspire to reach for the possibility of that which is beyond our own understanding and perception because it is what makes us truly human.

  • July 15, 2010 6:21 AM CST

    The movie is BEYOND great. It is AWESOME.

    by AxeEmAll

    Watch it at least twice. It took a second viewing for me to make all the connections clear in my mind.

  • July 15, 2010 6:22 AM CST

    OKAY I'M SOLD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Twice it is.

  • July 15, 2010 6:27 AM CST

    I saw this Monday night. You don't need...

    by vic twenty

    to see it twice, but I can't wait to see it again. It is a great thing to see a filmmaker in his prime taking up places we've never been and showing us things we've never seen.

    I agree with those who think the dropoff from opening weekend may be significant due to the fact that the films requires you to pay attention throughout to understand and appreciate later events.

    I said this in another talkback, that the cow-eyed monkey folk that attended the screening I went to were even more slack-jawed than usual leaving the theater. But to those folks who were smiling ear-to-ear (that last SHOT), we had a great time, and so wlll most of you here.

    And see this in a theater, THEN download it. This needs to be seen (and felt - my chest SHOOK at least 3 times) in as large a venue as possible.

  • The last shot shows the totem of Cobb: a small top spinning and just about to topple, but the screen goes blank and the movie ends. That is why it challenges us to think of our own reality whether it is real or not, or whether something real could exist beyond our own reality. That is why for me that final shot has less to do with the movie than a parting message of Nolan to all of us to define our own understanding of what is real or not, or if what is real can exist on different planes of existence.

  • July 15, 2010 6:34 AM CST

    AXE EM ALL -- SPOILER!!!!

    by vic twenty

    Don't wreck that kickass shot for those who have not seen it - the whole theater was leaning forward to see what the totem does.

    You HAVE to put spoiler alerts on important stuff mister!!!!!

  • July 15, 2010 6:35 AM CST

    I see you did put the spoiler tag, and fair play to you.

    by vic twenty

    But still, don't let the kitties out of the bag.

  • July 15, 2010 6:39 AM CST

    Vic: That's why i put the word GRAND before SPOILER

    by AxeEmAll

  • July 15, 2010 6:42 AM CST

    It certainly was.

    by vic twenty

  • July 15, 2010 6:46 AM CST

    Ellen Page

    by Itchy

    Why do I find her hot ? Is it the lesbian thing ? Because I kind of want to bang that five-head down to a three.

  • July 15, 2010 6:57 AM CST

    deanmail

    by AsimovLives

    But WATCHMEN isn't clever and quality. It's even a bad simulation of that.

  • July 15, 2010 7:00 AM CST

    I SAW IT LAST NIGHT....

    by umbral_shadow_

    And....and....and...MY MIND WAS FUCKING BLOWN. Make no mistake, this is a modern masterpiece. This film will be discussed in ten, twenty, thirty years time. This film will be studied at film schools across the world. Its on the same plane as 2001 - THAT'S how great it is. Please be careful you don't get run over by a car or something before you've seen it, because this is a film you HAVE to watch before you die. I'm going again tomorrow, then next week and another time after that. The repeat business this film will have is going to be astonishing.

  • July 15, 2010 7:02 AM CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by AsimovLives

    Return to form? Since when Nolan lost it?

  • July 15, 2010 7:08 AM CST

    Two AICN reviews so far. I want more

    by AsimovLives

    I want more perspective,s i want more opinions, more personal experiences and views about INCEPTION. Are the other AICN crew members slacking, or are they trying to unboggle their minds so they can put thoughts to writing?

  • July 15, 2010 7:12 AM CST

    I'm sure there will be lots of spirited discussion..

    by vic twenty

    once people have been able to see it. There is a lot to talk about.

  • July 15, 2010 7:15 AM CST

    "lots of spirited discussion"

    by AsimovLives

    You mean, lots of people drunk on licour shouting to each other? Or you ment something else when you said "spirited"?

  • July 15, 2010 7:16 AM CST

    I've no doubt there will be a dedicated forum for this.

    by vic twenty

    Perhaps two, one just for subtext!

  • July 15, 2010 7:17 AM CST

    More reviews, AICN!!

    by AsimovLives

    Stop slacking! You were far more expedient and enthusiastic when you were reviewing and kissing the ass of SHIT TREK. Can't you be as expedient and enthusiastic for a proper good movie too? Please? Thank you.

  • July 15, 2010 7:17 AM CST

    Spirited

    by vic twenty

    Robust conversation AND drunken name-calling. Both can be highly enjoyable!

  • July 15, 2010 7:30 AM CST

    Vic Twenty: You're right...

    by AxeEmAll

    ...just ain't easy to shut the hell up after watching a film of exceptional caliber. My bad.

  • July 15, 2010 7:38 AM CST

    AsimovLives

    by deanmail

    knight didwhen i think of watchmen for some reason I always think of the graphic novel. the film was indeed an imitation of that but whenever i watch it Im always seeing the comic book in my head despite whats onscreen. anyway watchmen came and went - lets discuss Inception which is truly clever and quality but something just tells me its not gonna do well at the box office even though I want it to just like I wanted watchmen to do so just by virtue of seeing some big budget risk taking movies that stretch audiences ways of perceiving movies(memento did that by making me HAVE to buy the DVD to put things together chronologically to fully appreciate it) dark knight did that by adding a sense of realism to the comic book movie

  • July 15, 2010 7:38 AM CST

    Great Review, Capone!

    by stephen_macauley

  • July 15, 2010 7:42 AM CST

    The Joker

    by MorganLeafy

    'Sure, The Joker is the villain, but he's a villain in who we see fractured pieces of ourselves. He's the sum total of a broken society and the ugliest parts of human behavior'. You know, it's that kind of nonsense that really sets of my finely tuned bullshit alarm and spoils my enjoyment beforehand. But hey, I’ll keep an open mind: this looks like it could be a big-budget version of Memento, the only truly good Nolan movie.

  • July 15, 2010 7:44 AM CST

    deanmail - I can see this opening big

    by vic twenty

    and dropping off big the following week or two. I hope not, since financial success is the only gauge studios use to determine quality. Even Oscar winning films that underperform at the box office during their original run get re-released after winning the golden gardner in hope to recoup more money.

    I really do hope this film finds a wide and appreciative audience, foolish optimist that I am.

  • July 15, 2010 7:44 AM CST

    Who is this Armond White anyway?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    Some kind of ghetto film reviewer? He's like the guys in NYC theaters who yell at the screen but with a laptop. Weird.

  • July 15, 2010 7:50 AM CST

    I saw it last night:

    by zom-bot.com

    fat, dim-witted people of walmart were getting up left and right, holding their heads with both hands, blubbering and shaking. An old man beside me died with his eyes and mouth wide open, staring at the screen. A teenage girl nearby stopped texting long enough to become hypnotized, then her ears started bleeding and her head was shaking like it would explode. in front of me, a small child shrieked and burst into flames while trying to grasp the deep layered subtext and reality-bending layers of deep reality bending depth.

  • July 15, 2010 7:54 AM CST

    I cannot wait to see the best movie of the summer!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Unfortunately, I'll have to, because they're not playing THE KILLER INSIDE ME on any of thirty movie screens nearby since they're all filled up with this thing.

  • July 15, 2010 8:08 AM CST

    "a joyless, awkwardly constructed mess"

    by Star Hump

    so says Salon's Andrew O'Hehir. Now that sounds exactly like The Dark Knight, but surely Nolan hasn't made the same mistake TWICE has he?

    Well, I only read the subheadlines for Capone and O'Hehir's reviews and stopped there. No more reviews. I'm judging this baby for myself.

  • July 15, 2010 8:39 AM CST

    The 3D debacle

    by AxeEmAll

    After watching the movie, it is best that Nolan kept it in 2D. 3D requires that the camera is at a distance from an object or person for the audience to truly understand what the hell is going on. Inception draws us into the story, so the frequent shifting from closeups which obviously require a 2D view to 3D scenes when the camera pulls back, like in action sequences, would just be distracting as hell.

  • July 15, 2010 8:44 AM CST

    Salt will tank

    by Abominable Snowcone

    So Inception is kinda like Matrix meets Watchmen? A mix of the cerebral with the metaphysical, with a spoonful of action sugar ot make the medicine go down? I might have to check it out. Is Ellen Page in it? Me likey.

    But I'm guessing Salt will flop. Hasn't Jolie already made that movie like, three times at least (Wanted, Mr & Mrs Smith, etc)? FUUUUCK

  • July 15, 2010 8:46 AM CST

    First pic of Reynolds as GL!

    by vadakinX

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/07/15/green-lantern-ryan-reynolds/

    Remove spaces

  • July 15, 2010 8:54 AM CST

    Not sure I can handle Capone's hype...

    by BurnHollywood

    "The first thing you have to realize is that INCEPTION isn't simply a movie; it's a symphony of images, ideas, performances, and, yes, music that is meant to continue on living and breathing in your head long, long after you've taken it all in. And it is absolutely crucial that you see INCEPTION twice before you really form your opinion on it."

    Holy shit. I sure hope I'm good enough to see this movie...maybe they should have people present their resume and qualifications at the ticket booth.

  • July 15, 2010 9:07 AM CST

    I'm telling ya, the Rex Reed review is COMEDY GOLD.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    AsimovLives - you don't like or respect AICN's reviews anyway. Why would you insist on more write-ups? Just head over to Rotten Tomatoes and you'll find the plethora of perspective you so desire. But be warned: the film is currently rated lower than TDK and...STAR TREK...

  • July 15, 2010 9:10 AM CST

    BUT HERE'S THE CRITICAL QUESTION BEFORE I GO

    by BringingSexyBack

    Should I bring popcorn, or Carr's Water Biscuits?

  • July 15, 2010 9:12 AM CST

    OMG RYAN LOOKS FUCKING HOT AS GREEN LANTERN!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    But why the above the waist shot!??! I wanna see his green package!!!!!

  • July 15, 2010 9:23 AM CST

    BSB

    by vadakinX

    That's how they get you. Gotta buy the magazine to get the coveted crotch shot of green.

  • July 15, 2010 9:25 AM CST

    THEN BY GOD IT WORKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    They got my money.

  • July 15, 2010 9:33 AM CST

    subtitles off

    by bourne7855

    hey dude did you see The Killer Inside Me already. i saw they had it for rent on my IFC channel for like 6.99. i thought it looked like it could be great but thats a steep price to pay for a movie off the tv. If you thinks its that good however then i will probably check it out.

  • July 15, 2010 9:43 AM CST

    BurnHollywood

    by HapaPapa72

    I think there's a cognitive skills and multi-layered plot comprehension test in the back of the Inception prequel comic book.

  • July 15, 2010 9:47 AM CST

    Subs does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Hey hombre. How's it going?

  • July 15, 2010 9:50 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    CAPONE WATCHED INCEPTION TWICE!

    HE WAS DOUBLE CHECKING FOR 'DEAD SPACE'!

    BSB, you put me in all-caps kinda mood.

  • July 15, 2010 10:04 AM CST

    Will Nolan make the same mistake as Scorsese?

    by zinc_chameleon

    And try to convince the audience that the Freudian model of the subconscious exists? After we've all seen the Matrix, which is a far better understanding (biological and modular). I'm guessing I'll use 'Inception' as my final exam long essay question on mistakes Hollywood makes about neuroscience.

  • July 15, 2010 10:12 AM CST

    My review : Geeks will splooge over this - because 'it's complic

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Anything smacking of 'complicated' gets geek endorsement regardless of quality. That is not to say this is not good, because it is, it simply is not 'brilliant'.

    I 'sawr' it on Monday. It was good - long, but good.

    However, while the plot is very good, it does not really function well as a heist movie like some have suggested. The 'real' action scenes - specifically the chase with Leo, is very good. The dream action scenes while decent and filled with 'splosions, all lead up to a bit of nothing (even the OHMSS scene)except the Joseph Gordon Levitt stuff - he steals the show in an otherwise bland acting display by all others.

    There is not one character that you will feel you know at all in this movie, not one that you will feel any connection too. Only Levitt has a character that seems to be really trying.

    No one is bad in this - not at all, just kind of bland - even the Leo and his wife with a giant Zit on her forehead, stuff. But for God sake someone give Ellen Page a double whopper with cheese and extra mayo! If it were not for the hair, you would not know she was a she. Just pencil thin, no definition anywhere and not much in the way of character arc either.

    It is a good movie, and because it smacks of someone having put some creative effort into the writing - it will get much geek love not to mention hyperbole - but I have no intention of seeing it a second time until it hits DVD. But I assure you some will be on here saying you must see it 3 or 4 times to get it. Nerp, I got it. I liked it, but I did not love it. See it for yourself with an open mind.

  • July 15, 2010 10:15 AM CST

    It's complicated

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

  • July 15, 2010 10:29 AM CST

    I wanted to see this

    by gingerella

    before I read this review. You've made this movie sound like fucking pretentious garbage.

  • July 15, 2010 10:35 AM CST

    It is not pretentious - it is Nolan given a free hand

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    And Nolan-geeks will slurp it up. They will make it sound pretentious because it does require you pay attention. Still, it all adds up to less than it should, because there is no investment in the characters themselves - oh yes they take a stab at it, but it never really pans out. Even the big dramatic thingy with Leo and the Zit (I mean really they should have lasered that thing off her forehead)

  • July 15, 2010 10:36 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    DIRK REVIEWS IT'S COMPLICATED WITH MERYL STREEP AND ALEC BALDWIN!!

    He liked it but did not love it.

  • July 15, 2010 10:40 AM CST

    So Inception is the antithesis of Avatar?

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Inception is smart but cold, whereas Avatar was dumb but had heart? Funny that some people are complaining Inception is "too complicated". I'm sure they were the same people who complained Avatar was too simplistic. Personally, I'm thankful Nolan and Cameron seem to balance each other out. I don't want the best films to all be cold, so I'm glad Cameron balances it out with warmth in his movies.

  • July 15, 2010 10:45 AM CST

    Hey Serpent - you got me! Meryl Sheep!

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I forgot all about that!

    But it is true. I liked Inception, I did not love it. Nolan just does not write or direct characters that you can invest in. And ultimately - that is why I have not jumped on Nolan bandwagon. But movie is worth seeing - just try not to get run over by hype. Oh, I forgot what site I was on for a minute.

    And wait until you see that giant zit! Thank God it was not in Imax or 3D!

  • July 15, 2010 10:48 AM CST

    It is not 'too complicated' - that was sarcasm

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Yes, it requires some thought, but because it is more complicated than say Transformers, geeks will go crazy because it did require someone thinking through the plot instead of saying 'splosions, splosions, Megan ass, splosions'

  • July 15, 2010 11:10 AM CST

    ...HERE'S MY ERECT OPINION!...

    by FlickaPoo

     ‍‍‍‍
    ...I think the trailer looks interesting, and I plan to see the movie!

  • July 15, 2010 11:22 AM CST

    When's the last time DiCaprio smiled in a role?

    by Christopher3

  • July 15, 2010 11:22 AM CST

    ↑ does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

    I agree with the bold opinion above.

  • July 15, 2010 11:24 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    Damn you! Out the fucking way Christopher3!!!

    ps. DiCaprio smiled alot in QUICK AND THE DEAD. And then got dead.

  • July 15, 2010 11:35 AM CST

    Stop reading reviews and go see it.

    by Novaman5000

    Seriously, it's one of the best of the year.

  • July 15, 2010 11:44 AM CST

    and this is from someone who liked, but didn't love,

    by Novaman5000

    Dark Knight.

  • July 15, 2010 12:05 PM CST

    Just came back from watching. 8/10

    by estacado1

    MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!!

    It was entertaining. The special effects were special effects. Nothing groundbreaking. You know it's special effect when you see it. Other movies have done better effects. I dare say some part of the Matrix had better effects. It seems they used a bad camera for the super slo mo shot. It looks low res and a bit out of focus. And when DiCaprio and Juno walking "up" the road after its folded, that effect could have been done way better. Even the weightless fight of Cobra Commander was not very convincing.

    There are some things minor plotlines that I didn't understand and maybe will if I watch it again, but the important 97% of it, i did get. One I didn't get was like how did the defib machine wake Fisher from a level 3 dream state death. Another one is that they show DiCaprio get old with his wife while trapped in the "limbo" universe, but when they decided exit the limbo with their heads on the railway track, they are young. Shouldn't they be old?

    The best thing I like about the movie was the ending. Nolan leaves it to us to figure out whether the whole movie was just a dream or not. There are arguments to justify both. I feel the whole movie was just a dream. The scene in Mombasa where DiCaprio was being chased by several men and being shot at several times, he dodged every single bullet while running. It was way too many bullets for a person to dodge. It must be a dream as opposed to being the Matrix. If it was the Matrix, he would have not needed to dodge them.

  • July 15, 2010 12:10 PM CST

    Where is your PREDATORS REVIEW? WTF?

    by Mennen

    How can that movie NOT BE REVIEWED ON THIS SITE?

  • July 15, 2010 12:22 PM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    Mennen, Capone did review PREDATORS.

    He claimed the original was surprisingly full of 'dead space' and this new one apparently was not. Lucky he's typing so we don't have to smell the bullshit on his breath. Pooey!

  • July 15, 2010 12:36 PM CST

    deanmail

    by AsimovLives

    I know what you mean. I too wished that INCEPTION would be a huge jugernaut at the box office, but i also fear that it might alienate too many people too accostumed to easily edible fast food movies.

  • July 15, 2010 12:38 PM CST

    Mr Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the sugestion. But my point was that i do enjoy reading the personal perspectives from the different AICN people. I don't need to agree with them, if you get my meaning, or else i had been long gone since you know what.

  • July 15, 2010 12:49 PM CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    Maybe Capone wanted to say "negative space"?

  • July 15, 2010 1:13 PM CST

    SPOILERS

    by Novaman5000

    You don't age in limbo...moments in real time are YEARS and YEARS in limbo. You could be there for what seems like 100 years, but when you wake up, only minutes have gone by. I took his saying "we did grow old together" to be figuratively- they spent decades together, they aged mentally, but not physically. They had their time together. The old people in the insert shots i think were just representations of this, not meant to be a literal shot of them having aged.

    Or perhaps you age only when you believe the place to be real... Leo hadn't aged in limbo at the beginning/end, but sato had...

    Defib brought the rich son back because it revived him. He was dead and it got his heart beating again, that combined with the start of falling from the building is what pulled him back to level 3.

  • July 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    DiCaprio also smiled in Revolutionary Road, but that didn't make that movie any less fucking depressing... He should make a Dennis Dugan film before he goes totally off the rails:)

  • July 15, 2010 1:39 PM CST

    When all the reviewers on AICN sang praise I ge

    by The Founder

  • July 15, 2010 1:43 PM CST

    When all reviewers in AICN sang praise I get worried

    by The Founder

    The film certainly looks good but when Harry and crew sing overly praise on a film I get skeptical. Nolan is a good director but to many fanboys go overboard with Nolan love. I'm not trusting this is gonna be god awesome

  • July 15, 2010 2:08 PM CST

    I will see this tomorrow night...BUT

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    When I saw you comparing it to SHUTTER ISLAND, my expectations kinda dropped. I HATED SHUTER ISLAND...an overly long, atmospheric chunk of crap with no pay-off at the end. Techincaly SHUTTER ISLAND was well-made, but it was a waste of time. I sure hope that INCEPTION is WAYYYYYYY better. I DO place more faith in Nolan than Scorcese anyway, so I guess that's a plus.

  • July 15, 2010 2:14 PM CST

    Thanks, Cobra--Kai.

    by Mennen

  • July 15, 2010 2:23 PM CST

    This is the only summer movie I'm interested of seeing

    by tomimt

    that's all

  • July 15, 2010 2:26 PM CST

    I've just had an Inspection

    by D o o d

    and everything is ok!

  • July 15, 2010 2:38 PM CST

    why oh why...

    by Human Tornado

    ... can't Joseph Gordon-Levitt be the new Joker?

  • July 15, 2010 2:41 PM CST

    i know how much people hate empire magazine..

    by emeraldboy

    but there is in this months issue an interview with Spielberg, cameron and zemeckis talking about the future of movies. its a major piece. it was a summit that tooke place a couple of months ago. spielberg think there is too much effects in movies. and there is the first in occassional series of influential people in the movies. first person is Jerry Bruckheimer. as you all hate the movies so much these days you all possibly wont be interested.

  • July 15, 2010 2:58 PM CST

    Shutter Island - fun movie but silly

    by RPLocke

    It was more of a TV show than a movie.

  • July 15, 2010 3:02 PM CST

    Human Tornado

    by HapaPapa72

    Y'think more than a few fanboys will be distracted at key moments in the brilliant Inception trying to visualize JG Levitt's Joker? Oh well. Repeat ticket sales! Go Nolan!

  • July 15, 2010 3:09 PM CST

    Sometimes...hyperbole goes beyond expectations. Welcome to that

    by HapaPapa72

    ArkhamInmate---I dunno about a Nolan Superman. He always talks about respecting the comic fans, but then he still avoids any comic-y elements that can't be grittified into His real world. Batman is his now, fine. But his Superman would be a mental patient having fever dreams of flying and herosim, crippled by an anaphylatic allergy to a new drug called Kryptonite that his Dr.Luthor is trying to get him to take. Hey...that's actually not bad.

  • July 15, 2010 3:10 PM CST

    Heroism

    by HapaPapa72

    Sorry. My damn grammatical OCD.

  • July 15, 2010 3:14 PM CST

    Shutter Island - Worst movie so far this year

    by MattmanReturns

    I love Scorsese, but goddamn. Movie relied on an obvious twist, and everything in between was bullshit. I wanted out. Huge disappointment.

  • July 15, 2010 3:15 PM CST

    why zemeckis?

    by emeraldboy

    People think that along with cemeron, that gold help me he zemeckis is a pioneer of what was once called motion capture and what is know called performance capture. that is being heralded as the future of movies and the berg and cameron are in on the act. they are all re-shaping the way we all look at movies. I have been going to since I was 4 or 5 years old that was the early eighties. and this year I have not been to the cinema in months. not since iron man 2 for different reasons. i will be going to inception this weekend. and then maybe toy story 3 the following week. But I cant when I will be going to the cinema again. might see a team. what comes out in the summer in the us, usally comes here to the uk and ireland in september/october. once last interesting statistic.in the UK MacGruber was screened on 21,000 screens which meant that its total box office was in the uk 300,000. it didnt justify that becuase, a nobody in the uk knows who will forte is and we dont get saturday night live in the uk. Saturday night for us was ben elton and harry enfield, doing sexist thatcher bashing. that was alternative comedy for you in the uk.

  • July 15, 2010 3:27 PM CST

    Shutter Island - I agree that movie was pants

    by D o o d

    I went in hoping it would be great since I do like Scorcese but the actual reality was a dumb who dunnit with an obvious ending!

  • July 15, 2010 3:42 PM CST

    Shutter Island - read the book

    by RPLocke

    it's better.

  • July 15, 2010 3:44 PM CST

    I agree with Locke... (surprise)

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 15, 2010 3:56 PM CST

    Shutter Island worked on so many levels...

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    to list them all would take an entire article. Anyone who says it hinged on the twist ending alone should jerk off to his copy of The Sixth Sense for the umpteenth time

  • July 15, 2010 4:00 PM CST

    Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    by MattmanReturns

    At least the Sixth Sense managed to conceal its twist for the majority of its runtime... as opposed to Shutter Island, where the twist was obvious from the first scene (and anyone who read the book knows it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OBVIOUS). Yes, the entire movie relies on that twist. It's the point of the whole thing. If you're going to tell me that it didn't rely on that twist, then the movie is even more pointless than I thought.

  • July 15, 2010 4:06 PM CST

    re: THE EVENT, Laurence Fishburne from Predators

    by BillboeFett

    won't be telling them about THE EVENT.. he'd have to smoke them out first

  • July 15, 2010 4:08 PM CST

    MattmanReturns - book

    by RPLocke

    I read the book in 2 days. Fantastic book. Movie is fine if you have never read the book, but I found the movie a little disappointing.

  • July 15, 2010 4:18 PM CST

    Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    by emeraldboy

    the twist in the six only worked if managed to avoid reading about it. i dont like calling them twists. more like big ending reveals.

  • July 15, 2010 4:22 PM CST

    I didn't read the book and I still haven't

    by D o o d

    but when I went to see Shutter Island, I knew what was going very early on in the movie. From that point onwards, it was a passive and boring experience!

  • July 15, 2010 4:28 PM CST

    Scarlett, my dad and sister figured it out

    by MattmanReturns

    without having read the book.

  • July 15, 2010 4:30 PM CST

    If you pay attention you can figure out the S I twist

    by RPLocke

    early on. Especially in the dinner scene.

  • July 15, 2010 4:33 PM CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    Finally we agree on something, and that's about SHUTTER ISLAND. How people can mistake that for a bad movie is beyond compreention. Lots of geek credentials to be revoked.

  • July 15, 2010 4:33 PM CST

    Now, Book of Eli's twist I didn't figure out

    by MattmanReturns

    One of my friends did... but I never saw that coming (pun intended). And re-watching the movie, he bumps into a table early on, amongst other clues.

  • July 15, 2010 4:33 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    Look at who direced of Shutter Island: Don't you think that said director had something loftier in mind than to cash in on the tired "twist ending"-genre, which was admittedly ignited by "The Sixth Sense", but by now has been ridden to death by countless cheap imitators? He took the cliche-ridden plot and made it work as - a hommage to classic noir and Hitchcock films (yeah, those goofy back-projections:) - an ensamble film with uniformly memorable performances in even the smallest roles - an examination of the workings of a wounded human mind - and yes, a mystery with a TWIST which, while obvious, couldn't spoil my enjoyment of the film for the reasons stated above. The Sixth Sense, while a great movie in it's own right,was a film that relied so firmly on it's twist that it forgot to breathe

  • July 15, 2010 4:36 PM CST

    Nic, re: twists

    by MattmanReturns

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of movies that rely on twists (I prefer stuff like the Prestige... which is a gradual realization of what's happening). I don't like the "OMG! He was -insert twist- all along!" moment, because it only works once. I just felt like that's EXACTLY what Scorsese was trying to do.

  • July 15, 2010 4:37 PM CST

    The point of SHUTTER ISLAND is not even the twist

    by AsimovLives

    THe teist, if one can call it that, it indeed telegraphed in the whole movie right from the begining. But the movie's heart and core is not even the twist as such. To compain about SHUTTER ISLAND because of the twist is just a slacked jaw attitude. There's far more to the movie then just what twists might or might not be there. Fuck, even the peop,e who make a big case about the twist give clear indications they didn't even understood half of what was being said during that scene. And i tell you this, for the score alone, FOR THE SCORE ALONE, SHUTTER ISLAND is already an damn fine movie.

  • July 15, 2010 4:39 PM CST

    teist = twist

    by AsimovLives

  • July 15, 2010 4:40 PM CST

    Asimov, yes the score was outstanding

    by MattmanReturns

    It was one of the few things that kept me interested. I just feel Scorsese misunderstood and attempted to make it all about the twist. I dunno, maybe I need to see it again. I feel like I got left out in the cold on that one, since a lot of people seemed to like it. My initial reaction was pure boredom and loathing, though.

  • July 15, 2010 4:50 PM CST

    Scarlett, that movie worked for you

    by D o o d

    and it's not because you're a sucker or dumb. I've falling for movies half as intelligent.

    I just thought it was a bad movie. Not the worst ever made, but for the caliber of director, it was bad! It was just very gimmicky!

  • July 15, 2010 4:55 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    The Prestige, now that's a wholly different animal... The work of a hungry, young director at the top of his game, with the intention and ability of surprising the audience with every sleight of the hand. (Wow, that double-twist ending still floors me) Scorsese, as old masters do, obviously took the material at hand and twisted it to fit with his own sensibilities. The twist was only secondary to him, what mattered was the lead-up

  • July 15, 2010 4:57 PM CST

    the sixth sense big moment is when..

    by emeraldboy

    haley joel utters that immortal line I see dead walking around like normal people.... all...the time.

  • July 15, 2010 4:59 PM CST

    Damn, I wanna go watch Prestige now...

    by MattmanReturns

    I just watched Insomnia on blu-ray... it's a credit to Nolan that my least favorite film of his is still great.

  • July 15, 2010 5:05 PM CST

    Matman, re-watch Prestige until your eyes bleed

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    That's an undisputed masterpiece, even if you know the twist! I hope Inception is at least half as money

  • July 15, 2010 5:06 PM CST

    "You don't really want to work it out. You want to be fooled."

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 15, 2010 5:08 PM CST

    The secret impresses no one.

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    The trick you use it for is everything.

  • July 15, 2010 5:17 PM CST

    If Inception turns out at least half as good as The Prestige, I

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    That's impossible, so let's close the topic:))

  • July 15, 2010 5:27 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    "it's a credit to Nolan that my least favorite film of his is still great"

    Testify, brother.

  • July 15, 2010 5:28 PM CST

    Darkocity

    by AsimovLives

    "I just think the core ideas or principals of making a guy come to a personal realisation of sorts through psychological duress depicted in the film are dated and obsolete now."

    Well, d'uhhh. The movie is set in the 1950s.

  • July 15, 2010 5:31 PM CST

    "If Inception turns out at least half as good as The Prestige"

    by AsimovLives

    That already would make it full of win.

  • July 15, 2010 5:34 PM CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSON

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    I thought it was in the third act where everything really fell into place, it spawned enough ideas (Bale's twin brother, Jackman's clones) for several stand-alone movies. This movie doesn't seem to be appreciated the way it should be... Time for a DARK CITY-style revival!

  • July 15, 2010 5:36 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    You know, five minutes into THE RPESTIGE and i already knew i was watching something great. It was THE PRESTIGE that really made me into a fan of Nolan. I already had enjoyed and liked a lot his previous movie i had seen, all in the theater: MEMENTO, INSOMNIA and specially BATMMAN BEGINS. The later in particular suprised me how thoughful, wellmade and serious it took it's subject, which could had fallen into easy dumb camp, as it had before, even during the Tim Burton realm. But it was THE RPESTIGE that finally made me realise, this Nolan guy, he's a frigging genious at making movies! THE PRESTIGE made me a fan. Nolan will need to fuck up a lot and in a row for me to change my mind about him.

  • July 15, 2010 5:39 PM CST

    Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    by AsimovLives

    Anything to make THE RPESTIGE better known and better respected is the right thign to do. Including aztect rituals involing the ritualistic killing of enemies to appease the gods of good fortune. We should do that, we should sacrifice Jar Jar Abrams to the altar of the gods of cinema and rip his heart and flay his skin out and offer them as offerings to the gods of cinema. That would be a good star. Next, Mickey Bay. Talk about a double feature.

  • July 15, 2010 5:40 PM CST

    Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    by AsimovLives

    Anything to make THE RPESTIGE better known and better respected is the right thign to do. Including aztect rituals involing the ritualistic killing of enemies to appease the gods of good fortune. We should do that, we should sacrifice Jar Jar Abrams to the altar of the gods of cinema and rip his heart and flay his skin out and offer them as offerings to the gods of cinema. That would be a good start. Next, Mickey Bay. Talk about a double feature.

  • July 15, 2010 5:41 PM CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS

    by AsimovLives

    I felt that Hostel 2 was more ambitious.

  • July 15, 2010 5:43 PM CST

    KilliK Shutter Island is not a GEEK movie

    by RPLocke

    I don't see nerds dressing up as Leo and going to Shutter Island Conventions.

  • July 15, 2010 5:43 PM CST

    C'mon, SCARLETT

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    It was PG-13... Rather moody, not exactly Cannibal Holocaust or Saw 3D:The Trap Comes Alive:)

  • July 15, 2010 5:46 PM CST

    Asimov, Prestige

    by MattmanReturns

    Yeah totally agree with what you said. Prestige solidified Nolan as a master filmmaker for me, especially since it came after such a high profile movie like Batman Begins... a lot of directors lose themselves after going high profile, but he turned around and made another film along the lines of Insomnia or Memento (but even better).

  • July 15, 2010 5:53 PM CST

    Cool

    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Capone! Great review. I enjoyed reading it.

    Can't wait to see "Inception."

  • July 15, 2010 5:56 PM CST

    asimov....

    by emeraldboy

    do you have a klingon bible?

  • July 15, 2010 5:57 PM CST

    Dark Knight

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    While I'm not a big fan of that that film, I highly respect the feat Christopher Nolan pulled off by reshaping the whole Batman franchise according to his own sensibilities and striking a nerve while doing so... Hats off to the man!

  • July 15, 2010 6:04 PM CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSON

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    Now I see your point. Scarlett Johannson's character completely disappeared for the 3d act of The Prestige, thus no breast milk... The horror, the horror:))

  • July 15, 2010 7:34 PM CST

    2½ hours, and no character smiles once.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Oops. SPOILER.

  • July 15, 2010 7:36 PM CST

    Recently watched Prestige 2 nights in a row...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    on television...I loved it more the second time...Especially the opening frames with the hats in the field and Jackman saying..."Are you paying attention?" or some such...

    Made a fan of me...

  • July 15, 2010 7:36 PM CST

    Man, Rex Reed ripped Nolan a new one.

    by The Dark Nolan

    Too bad he did it by attacking him personally and without much of a constructive argument. I don't think I've ever seen such an unprofessional attack on a filmmaker personally than this. "Writer-director Nolan is an elegant Hollywood hack from London whose movies are a colossal waste of time, money and I.Q. points. "Elegant" because his work always has a crisp use of color, shading and shadows, and "hack" because he always takes an expensive germ of an idea, reduces it to a series of cheap gimmicks and shreds it through a Cuisinart until it looks and sounds like every other incoherent empty B-movie made by people who haven't got a clue about plot, character development or narrative trajectory. Like other Christopher Nolan head scratchers-the brainless Memento, the perilously inert Insomnia, the contrived illusionist thriller The Prestige, the idiotic Batman Begins and the mechanical, maniacally baffling and laughably overrated The Dark Knight-this latest deadly exercise in smart-aleck filmmaking without purpose from Mr. Nolan's scrambled eggs for brains makes no sense whatsoever. Is it clear that I have consistently hated his movies without exception, and I have yet to see one of them that makes one lick of sense." Sheesh, what a fucker! Nolan is the messiah the Jews have been waiting for! And everybody else!

  • July 15, 2010 7:42 PM CST

    Hi, Subs...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Miss you...

  • July 15, 2010 8:50 PM CST

    The "scrambled eggs for brains" line is taken from

    by Novaman5000

    INCEPTION itself. So Rex couldn't even come up with a fresh analogy to criticize Nolan with, he had to crib a line from the film?

  • July 15, 2010 8:52 PM CST

    Also, if you read the review, he didn't even understand

    by Novaman5000

    the most basic of plot points in this film. I don't blame him for not liking it... He was too stupid to get it.

  • July 15, 2010 8:59 PM CST

    Wow

    by Cobbio

    Rex Reed, hehe. What a douche. What an absolute pantywaste of a man.

    Does he actually believe any of what he wrote there about Nolan? Better yet, does he realize he's making an even bigger douche out of himself by not realizing how hateful and braindead he sounds?

    No wonder I never read his puss.

  • July 15, 2010 9:22 PM CST

    Shutter Island -

    by jones1899

    If he was crazy and it was all some elaborate treatment = RETARDED. If he was faking in the end just to get a REAL look at what was in the lighthouse = MASTERPIECE.

  • July 15, 2010 9:44 PM CST

    I think the whole point of Shutter Island

    by RPLocke

    was that the island WAS real. There was treatment in the Lighthouse, but we never saw it.

  • July 15, 2010 9:55 PM CST

    @estacado: Spoilers

    by AxeEmAll

    Limbo is pure subconscious and it is the deepest level of the Nolan interpretation. You could get totally lost in it and time in that level is so slow that a few hours can be the equivalent of decades. For the first level, 5 minutes in the dream world is an hour in the real world. Each level down is double the time of the previous one, which is why the couple became really old, which also happened to Saito who got stuck in limbo when he "died" in the third level, which is why Cobb went to the limbo of Saito to rescue him. As to the defibrillator, if you were paying close attention, Eames attached the dream manipulation apparatus to Cillian Murphy's character when he gets wounded in the third level. Cobb and Ariadne had to go down to the fourth level to give him the necessary "kick" that would wake him up in the third level-- the defibrillator was just enough to keep him alive even just for a few moments on the third level, just in time for the building to explode to bring them to the second, then to the first level dream in which the corporate magnate isn't wounded. Yup, the movie can cause a lot of confusion if we don't stay focused.

  • July 15, 2010 9:58 PM CST

    RPLocke

    by jones1899

    Yeah I figured the lighthouse was real, but was it all truly some elaborate treatment for Leo or was that misdirection and bullshit? I'm begging that it was misdirection and bullshit since otherwise it would make no sense and be RETARDED. (and ruin an otherwise fascinating movie)

  • July 15, 2010 10:06 PM CST

    @estacado : Spoilers 2

    by AxeEmAll

    When Eames attached the dream manipulating machine to Cillian Murphy (Fischer), they transported him to Cobb's subconscious so that Dom and Ariadne can find him. So essentially, The entire team was in Fischer's dreams, then in the third level, Fischer was brought into the subconscious of Cobb. So it means that the person whose dreams you enter can be manipulated to enter your own dream as he dreams. Mind-bending stuff.

  • July 15, 2010 10:11 PM CST

    jones1899

    by RPLocke

    Yes, the treatment was real. I believe Leo was to be the first case. The Ben Kingsley character probably thought the Leo character would figure it out, but he didn't.

  • July 15, 2010 10:38 PM CST

    Yeah... most of the audience figured it out before Leo

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 15, 2010 10:48 PM CST

    jones

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    "If he was crazy and it was all some elaborate treatment = RETARDED. If he was faking in the end just to get a REAL look at what was in the lighthouse = MASTERPIECE. " Yes, he was crazy until the final act, but the elaborate tratment of Kingsley put his mind on the right track. And yes, he was faking a relapse at the end, only to get lobtomized in the lighthouse so that he doesn't have to face his demons anymore. So this makes it a RETARDED MASTERPIECE in your book:)

  • July 15, 2010 11:13 PM CST

    PLANT!

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    plant

  • July 15, 2010 11:17 PM CST

    Christopher Nolan should remake James Mangold's "Identity"

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    but fully exploring its themes this time. That movie took a unique idea and abused it for a cheap look-at-me twist ending

  • July 15, 2010 11:28 PM CST

    Capone is gushing over this. No "dead space"

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I guess.

  • July 15, 2010 11:35 PM CST

    Identity

    by MattmanReturns

    Yeah that movie worked great the first time I saw it... not so good the second. It's pretty decent though.

  • July 16, 2010 1:07 AM CST

    Yeah, but the guy also had extreme problems, SCARLETT

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    ...so an extreme solution was only appropriate "Chuck, which would be worse, to live as a monster, or to die as a good man?" That line, and the way DiCaprio delivered it, gave it away

  • July 16, 2010 1:56 AM CST

    my review 9/10

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Only bad part toME was Leo...I just don't like him...but the audience LOVED JGL...we got a superstar on our hands...get the joker makeup ready

  • July 16, 2010 2:08 AM CST

    Sweet...

    by GroolDemon

    I'm gonna catch the matinee of this bastard first thing in the morning...

  • July 16, 2010 2:10 AM CST

    Just got back from midnight showing

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    In Nolan we trust. Can't wait to see it again.

  • July 16, 2010 2:16 AM CST

    I wanted to find fault in this movie cause all the Nolan ass kis

    by The Founder

    It was near flawless

  • July 16, 2010 2:23 AM CST

    DiCaprio needs to lighten up

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    He still seems to strain to get accepted as a serious actor, not just a poster boy. Easy, Leo, we got it! In movies like „Blood Diamond”, „The Departed” and „Shutter Island” he has already proven that he can do intense and focused. He should do something lighter to broaden his range; „Jerry Maguire” didn’t hurt Tom Cruise’s career back in the day, either.

  • July 16, 2010 2:27 AM CST

    Excellent Movie but not one you can watch repeatedly

    by The Founder

    I enjoyed the near greatness of it but it's not repeat viewing material. The movie was damn good but wasn't fun. Yes people there is a difference. You can have an awesome fun flick that kicks total ass and you can watch whenever, like The Matrix for me and then theirs the cerebral films that great films but they aren't something you can watch over and over. Yeah I'll see it again cause I'm sure I missed a few things but it'll be a while before I feel I can sit through it again. It didn't have anynfun factor. Cool and sweet fx moments but they were there to serve and move the story and the ideas behind it. I will get bit on Blu Ray, an for me that's saying a lot. I don't buy many movies on blu Ray despite having a player. I reserve spending the cash for shit that deserves it and Inception does!!!!

  • July 16, 2010 2:29 AM CST

    Can't wait to see what Nolan does with Superman!!!

    by The Founder

    Why Wb never brought him on boated in the first place is beyond me.

  • July 16, 2010 2:30 AM CST

    Too bad that my (well-founded) DiCaprio bias...

    by Keblar

    will fucking RUIN this for me.

  • July 16, 2010 2:33 AM CST

    Founder

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    The guys from JoBlo seem to think otherwise: "by then I was having so much fun, I was literally giggling to myself":)) Yeah, opinions are like an a..hole

  • July 16, 2010 2:35 AM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by RPLocke

    The Joker is NOT going to be in Batman 3. Give it a rest Joseph people.

  • July 16, 2010 2:36 AM CST

    OK, then

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    ...he can still be The Riddler:)

  • July 16, 2010 2:36 AM CST

    Inception has to rule the box office,won't be right for Twilight

    by The Founder

    Sadly and I really hope I'm wrong cause this movie deserves to make bank. People should see this and see what should be done to make good movie instead of getting so many crap films forced down our throats by Hoolywood and they get rewarded with tons of money for bullshit. If only the mainstream could pull together and demand more films of good quality like this be made. It's painful to see shit like Twilight perform so damn good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that word of mouth works in this case.

  • July 16, 2010 2:47 AM CST

    I stand by My opinion NicCages Real Hair

    by The Founder

    Some people will obviously love it where they can watch it over and over. To me it's not that type of film. It's a well don't and thought provoking film that had great fx sequences that served to move the story instead ofnthe standard money shots and high octane action for the sake of pure entertainment. Not belittling Inception in anyway but I don't see what pleasure and fun you're going to get out of repeat viewings especially when you know all the cerebralness of it. It'll become boring then. That's of course is my opinion. Inception will always be that good film to me that you can every couple of years and think, this was an excellent film, let me sit and watch it or you happen to catch it on tv and think how good it was so u sit and watch it.

  • July 16, 2010 2:49 AM CST

    No need to worry

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    This will make loads of cash. Not „Dark Knight”-sized business, mind you, but a solid run along the lines of „The Sixth Sense” should be definitely in store. Maybe the meatheads that ate up „Grown Ups” won’t flock to this, but, unlikely as it seems, there’s still a fair slice of the moviegoing public that appreciates quality.

  • July 16, 2010 3:08 AM CST

    incredible film

    by Jared

    Wow...the most satisfying cinematic experience I've had in a long time. Nolan, thank you.

  • July 16, 2010 3:12 AM CST

    JGL and Heath Ledger

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    both got their big break in „10 Things I Hate About You”... and still their careers took off! That’s a sign of real f’ing talent!!

  • July 16, 2010 3:25 AM CST

    The similarities between Inception and Shutter Island

    by Gilead

    FIrst off... Really enjoyed Inception. And although I agree with those who think that Shutter Island's ending could be seen a mile away, I still think the film has plenty of merits. Thirdly, I think Inception is a much finer film than shutter island. BUT! BUT! BUT! Was anyone else reallllly annoyed by the glaring similarities between Inception and Shutter Island, for example, dead wife/guilt issues and especially the ambiguous ending? Inception definitely stands on its own, but I couldn't help being markably bothered by the fact that I just watched Leonardo Dicaprio play a very similar character going through very similar psychological issues with alarmingly similar circumstances!

  • July 16, 2010 3:26 AM CST

    "Devil" trailer

    by Jared

    The audience at my screening burst into laughter when M. Night's name appeared in the "Devil" trailer. What a joke the man's become.

  • July 16, 2010 3:33 AM CST

    No wonder

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    the studio took off „The Night Chronicles” from the title. The advertising should go like this: ONLY produced and NOT written or directed by M. Night Shyamalan

  • July 16, 2010 4:04 AM CST

    Well... Well... After Midnight Showing:

    by Rebeck2

    I'm not sure what to say. Is it clever, even brilliant, on a purely cerebral level? Yes. Does it eventually get to an emotional place that has a little weight and power to it? Yes. And of course, most of all, it's truly thrillng in some parts. But having said all that I find it hard to love. It's just such a slog. It's working so hard to fold in on itself that you spend most of the running time detached from it and indifferent. It ends up being more of a vehicle for exposition than a story. And the biggest problem is that despite the stakes for Leo (his kids), the stakes of planting the idea for industrial espionage is just not high enough stakes to feel real urgency. So, one company managed to outwit another company? Not the most compelling thing in the world. But before I get flamed to death, I GOT IT...and there's no doubt Nolan is a genuinely intelligent filmmaker. I just think he needs to, uhm, streamline and simplify. Sometimes less is more. I'll readily admit I may be in the minority on that opinion, but I think this will be a much more divisive movie than geeks may think.

  • July 16, 2010 4:08 AM CST

    I want more INCEPTION's AICN reviews

    by AsimovLives

    FEED ME!!!

  • July 16, 2010 4:13 AM CST

    The Founder, your assessment is...

    by Shermdawg

    ...is pretty much how I feel this. And honestly, I've yet to see a Nolan flick that I could watch repeatedly. The Dark Knight has some great moments for sure, but too much of it relied on suspense which made for a great cinematic experience the first time around, but afterwards you start noticing the lame dialogue, or how confusingly shot the swat team fight is. Inception is probably his best all around film I've seen (still haven't caught Memento), but like you said it's not very fun. And to be honest, for me at least, there's not even an urge to go back to see if I missed anything with the narrative given they pretty much spoon fed the hell out of it.

  • July 16, 2010 4:20 AM CST

    Shermdawg

    by Rebeck2

    I agree. I think a lot of the audience is going to check out of this movie in the first act too. (We had walkouts in my audience) I think he missed the boat by not starting the film with a more thrilling straightforward dream "heist" to sort of hook the audience, instead of that overly-elaborate opening most of which flies over the audience's head. It's much more interesting than satisfying as a story - although the ending is actually the best part, all the way down to the final blackout. But like I say, the film wears you out right around the time it pays homage to ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.

  • July 16, 2010 4:23 AM CST

    Beyond expectations...

    by elgato73

    Yes, the Shutter Island allusions are well pointed. In fact, I'm going to go back watch Shutter Island now that's I've seen Inception because I think I truly missed the beauty and profoundness of that film. But that's another conversation. Here's my first reaction to Inception... Christopher Nolan should NOT make another Batman film. That is without a doubt a complete waste of his time and his talents. And without a doubt, Inception is nowhere near as great as The Dark Knight. That's because TDK does not hold a candle to Inception. Inception makes TDK look like a sophomoric, pedestrian undertaking. Inception is a rare, rare miracle of sight, sound and vision. It is the reason we continue to go to the cinema. It is the reason we come to sites like this and discuss film. It is the reason sites like this exist. But I need to stop now. You need to discover this on your own... And yes, Capone. I too went into this film expecting one or two things and at the end of the film, found all my expectations were cheap, unwarranted, or completely off. Inception is beyond expectations because you have literally not seen anything like this before. Yes, you'll see other pieces of films here and there in Inception but when it all comes together, you are watching something utterly original, utterly thought provoking and utterly, truly brilliant. A work of art that is going to talked about for a long, long time, Inceptions challenges you to leave your expectations behind.

  • July 16, 2010 4:24 AM CST

    I feel like I'm in the fifth level...

    by IndyJonze

    dream state with all the interwoven commentaries about INCEPTION, SHUTTER ISLAND and PRESTIGE. Reading the comments is like popping between dream levels one, two, three and so on... But INCEPTION was fucking brilliant. SHUTTER ISLAND is not worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence.

  • July 16, 2010 4:27 AM CST

    elgato73

    by Rebeck2

    Wow... That's some powerful Kool-aid you're passing out.

  • July 16, 2010 4:38 AM CST

    Ellen Page's character wasn't really needed.

    by Shermdawg

    A voice over sequence where Leo sets the ground rules for the dream world, and actual flashbacks of his relationship with his wife would've been far more effective than using the new recruit method.

  • July 16, 2010 4:51 AM CST

    So did Ch. Nolan finally learn how to craft an action sequence?

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    Just asking, 'cause the set pieces in „Batman Begins” and „The Dark Knight” could make Paul Greengrass motion sick

  • July 16, 2010 5:06 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by AsimovLives

    "do you have a klingon bible?"Who the fuck cares for that shit?

    Oh wait, i get it, that's the common retard dumb ass stupid coment that people use when they see some less then flatery ass kissing coments about Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK, isn't it? Because those who come up with that argument are intellectual midgets who can't grasp the basic concept that people might dislike that movie because IT'S A FUCKING BAD MOVIE, regardless if it's about Star Trek or Mary Poppins. I got it now, and really, dude, for shame! Don't be daft, will you?

  • July 16, 2010 5:08 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by AsimovLives

    "do you have a klingon bible?"

    Who the fuck cares for that shit?

    Oh wait, i get it, that's the common retard dumb ass stupid coment that people use when they see some less then flatery ass kissing coments about Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK, isn't it? Because those who come up with that argument are intellectual midgets who can't grasp the basic concept that people might dislike that movie because IT'S A FUCKING BAD MOVIE, regardless if it's about Star Trek or Mary Poppins. I got it now, and really, dude, for shame! Don't be daft, will you?

  • July 16, 2010 5:09 AM CST

    Nic Cages...

    by Rebeck2

    To answer your question...NO. He still shoots action sequences in the same herky-jerky too-close style so you never get a smooth feeling of the choreography. His best is the fight in the hotel hallway as the laws of physics are gleefully broken. But otherwise, there's not a comprehensible action sequence in the entire film.

  • July 16, 2010 5:11 AM CST

    The Dark Nolan

    by AsimovLives

    I though by elegant Rex Reed ment to say that Nolan is the best dressed director in Hollywood. Which he is.

  • July 16, 2010 5:15 AM CST

    "not even an urge to go back to see if I missed anything"

    by Shermdawg

    I take that back, I need to check the subtitles because I couldn't understand half of what Watanabe said.

  • July 16, 2010 5:20 AM CST

    Rebeck2

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    Damn... I got the impression from the trailers that he finally got his act together in that department. Jerky-cam is supposed to enhance realism, but what’s the friggin’ point of making dream sequences look realistic?

  • July 16, 2010 5:27 AM CST

    Nolan and action

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    His Batman films were truly frustrating experiences for me. The non-existing choreography and sense of geography of the action sequences managed to completely ruin my enjoyment of these otherwise excellent films. Seriously, during the big truck chase in „The Dark Knight”, I couldn’t tell for a moment who was driving what vehicle. (And don’t even get me started on the nausea-inducing hand-to-hand combat scenes). His Batman films may well be the only comic-book movies (OK, maybe Iron Man 2 as well) where the weakest element is the staging of the action scenes. Truly frustrating, because with a competent action director (or a second unit team, for that matter) both films would have been close to perfection. So "Inception" will be more of the same:((

  • July 16, 2010 5:28 AM CST

    IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE...

    by SeXX ED

    ... this is what it's all about - INCEPTION is why films exist.

  • July 16, 2010 5:34 AM CST

    OH, AND BATMAN 3 IN PRODUCTION APRIL '11

    by SeXX ED

    Keep it up, Mr.Nolan. We need you.

  • July 16, 2010 5:39 AM CST

    the only reason I asked if you had a klingon bible..

    by emeraldboy

    was if you were one of those die hard star trek fans.

  • July 16, 2010 6:17 AM CST

    Star Trek holds 94% at RottenTomatoes...

    by Nic_Cages_Real_Hair

    Seriously?? WTF??? That site used to be a good indicator for quality...

  • July 16, 2010 6:40 AM CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 16, 2010 6:48 AM CST

    AsimovLives, Seriously dude it 2010, JJ's Trek has come & gone

    by The Founder

    Hang that dead horse up cause u and this Jeffery Abrams Trek 09 hate is old. Can't believe u still going on about that, save it for Summer 11 or 12 when Abrams breaks out his sure to be hit Trek2. I loved it, but am not gonna rehash Trek arguments on a TB for Inception. Very good film but like u and Trek I can list faults in Nolan's Batmans and Inception. No film is perfect to everybody. People have different tastes. U hate Abrams and his works but is ready to blow Nolan. I like both guys but I can see faults in their films. U insult people cause they like stuff u don't and it's a lil pathetic man. I'm sure the people that were walking out of Inception in my theater would boiled alive if u were in power. Joking aside man they are all just films and films last I checked appeal to people in different ways. I think them Twilight offerings are crap( Inception ain't beating them in box office) but I'm not gonna insult the fans. Take a cue from me and just discuss Inception here, you'll feel better.

  • July 16, 2010 6:53 AM CST

    Trek holds 94% at Rotten Tomatoes? Sweet!!!

    by The Founder

    enjoyed the hell outta that movie.

  • July 16, 2010 7:48 AM CST

    Nic_Cages_Real_Hair, Leo did Catch Me If You Can

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    That was lighthearted.

  • July 16, 2010 7:58 AM CST

    Inception is *not* about dreams....

    by zinc_chameleon

    as everyday types like to think of them. It is about LUCID DREAMING, a neurological state where Rapid Eye Movement overlaps with Memory Formation. It only happens for two 1/2 periods for the average healthy human, and by and large, they do not have conscious control. Nolan is probably going to play fast and loose with science for the sake of entertainment. Memento is much more accurate.

  • July 16, 2010 8:09 AM CST

    oh and for the record..

    by emeraldboy

    i thought JJ' abrams star trek was an immensly entertaing movie. though if I had one gripe it was simon pegg. he is irritating.

  • July 16, 2010 8:34 AM CST

    Inception sucks and blows!

    by IAmMovieMaster

    Very disappointed. This is a movie that in the end is really about nothing. And why the heck did the holodeck make an appearance near the end??

  • July 16, 2010 9:15 AM CST

    I cannot wait to see..

    by emeraldboy

    super 8. JJ knows how to put teasers and trailers. and his live action adaptation of the cartoon ultimate force. looks intriguing.

  • July 16, 2010 9:28 AM CST

    Why can't a cerebral movie be fun?

    by AsimovLives

    There's plenty of cerebral movies which i have lots of fun watching them. so, really, it puzzles me this dychotomy people do that if a movie is of a more cerebral nature, they label it anythign but fun? Why? Why can't a cerebral movie be seen as fun too? Why don't you think that cerebral is fun as well? Why the bias?

  • July 16, 2010 9:44 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong.

  • July 16, 2010 9:49 AM CST

    The Founder

    by AsimovLives

    Nature tend to ballance. As an alone man who rightly despised the fucking movie, i have a lot to catch up with the enourmous amount of ass kissing that went for that fucking movie. It will take me years to finally match up with the ass kissage so that equilibrium and ballance be achieved. But you cna curtal it you join me in the Jar Jar Trek rightly bashing. Two would speed up the process. It would still take years, so you better bring friends as well.

  • July 16, 2010 9:53 AM CST

    "JJ knows how to put teasers and trailers"

    by AsimovLives

    With the exception of SHIT TREK's official trailer, all his movies' do have commercially appeasing teasers and trailers. I agree. Jar Jar Abrams is really very good at that, selling and advertizement. Making movies, not so much.

  • July 16, 2010 10:13 AM CST

    dc had a earthwuake while i slept

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    My reality is fucked up now

  • July 16, 2010 10:43 AM CST

    so asimov...

    by emeraldboy

    you didnt like mission impossible three. and why do you insist on slagging him by calling him jar jar? and why do you hate a movie which is at least two years old?

  • July 16, 2010 10:49 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by AsimovLives

    I call him Jar Jar becausze i have nothing but disgust, dispise and disrespect for Jar Jar Abrams. And i hate ARMAGEDDON and that movie was made 12 years ago, so time is no limit nor should be. And i wipe my ass on MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 3, that fucking movie was the first that made me give a clue of what a fucking pussy lame ass fuck that Jar Jar clown is as a "director" and made me give up on Tom "Boundless Delusional Egomaniac" Cruise for life.

  • July 16, 2010 10:50 AM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by AsimovLives

    I didn't knew that Washington Dc was a place prone to earthquakes. I though that place was a boring swamp.

  • July 16, 2010 11:00 AM CST

    asimov...

    by emeraldboy

    why cant cerebreal movies be fun. i'll tell you why. there is a belief amongst the us populace that anything cereberal is liberal. at least the consservative commentators in america do. I would love to see a really cool adaptation of comic book. film studios dont do cool.

  • July 16, 2010 11:02 AM CST

    asi

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Thought that too until I woke up to a earthquake...so either i Should be worried about a unnatural natural disaster in dc or I'm still asleep...where's my totem at

  • July 16, 2010 11:07 AM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by AsimovLives

    Maybe it was a presidential motorcade doing powerslides in your neighbourhood.

  • July 16, 2010 11:10 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the explanation. But then again, John Milius movies have been pretty cerebral stuff, and he's a very right-winger. But then again, he hasn't directed since aeons.

    As for cool comic book movies, well, Nolan did mannaged to slip two of those under the studio's door.

  • July 16, 2010 11:44 AM CST

    AsimovLives isn't gonna give up but I tried. Bats were but Tre

    by The Founder

    Was better films then both. Maybe I'm biased cause I never cared much for the Batman character. The films were both very solid and entertaining but they had their share of flaws. Nolan functions better doing material like Memento and now the near flawless Inception. I'm still looking forward to his coming on board in whatever capacity he will function on Superman. Smart move by WB and something they should have done in the first place.

  • July 16, 2010 11:46 AM CST

    Cut off dammit, Trek was better then both Batmans..

    by The Founder

    From Nolan, my opinion.

  • July 16, 2010 11:52 AM CST

    SPEED RACER IS DEAD

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    Peter Fernandez, best known as the title character's voice in the animated "Speed Racer" TV series, died Thursday from lung cancer at age 83, Anime News Network reported. Fernandez not only voiced Speed himself, but also his brother Racer X and several other characters in the English-dubbed adaptation of Tatsunoko's "Mach Go Go Go" anime series, the Internet site said. He also directed the voice cast and even wrote the lyrics to the signature theme song used in the show imported from Japan in 1967. He later played Lupin III, Daisuke Jigen, and President Jimmy Carter in a dubbed version of "Lupin III: The Secret of Mamo." His voice can be heard in such dubbed anime titles as "Astro Boy," "Gigantor," "Marine Boy," "Star Blazers: The Bolar Wars," and "Superbook." He made a cameo appearance as an announcer in the 2008 live-action "Speed Racer" film, Anime News Network said. Corinne Orr, the actress who played Speed Racer's romantic interest Trixie and younger brother Sprittle Racer, spoke with Fernandez as recently as last week, the Anime News Network said. The two had worked together on 200 productions, and she noted that he was a big star on radio and Broadway and had starred in the 1949 film "City Across the River" where Tony Curtis only had a bit part." Orr is the last surviving member of the "Speed Racer" main cast. Orr told the Web site, "His great joy was doing all these conventions and receiving the acknowledgement and accolades from all his fans at the end of his life." Producer and anime distributor William Winckler told Anime News Network that he was glad that renewed interest accompanying the 2008 live-action Speed Racer film, Fernandez "finally got the attention and respect he deserved from the general public and mainstream press."

  • July 16, 2010 12:06 PM CST

    Inception=1of the best movies ever made! No 2 only to Matrix

    by The Founder

    This may change cause I have to see it again but right now Inception is looking to be my 2nd favorite film or all time. Still wasn't better then the 1st Matrix but awesome none the less.

  • July 16, 2010 12:18 PM CST

    "Trek was better then both Batmans"

    by AsimovLives

    Dream on.

  • July 16, 2010 12:26 PM CST

    "Trek was better then both Batmans"

    by daveyf

    Now.. slowly lay down the crack pipe. That shit's clearly messing with your mind.

  • July 16, 2010 12:33 PM CST

    The drugs don't work...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and only make you worst... and dumber.

  • July 16, 2010 12:46 PM CST

    speaking of which..

    by daveyf

    Went to see Inception slightly high (weed).. it does enhance the experience. I was somewhat in a dream state when the movie started rolling.

  • July 16, 2010 12:47 PM CST

    i dont call people idiots based on their opinion

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    But the founder is a idiot...seriously, you're a imbecile

  • July 16, 2010 1:20 PM CST

    The Matrix is the best movie ever made??

    by MattmanReturns

    What are you, five?

  • July 16, 2010 1:23 PM CST

    a symphony of images, ideas, performances

    by Crimson Dynamo

    another round of nolan dick sucking

  • July 16, 2010 1:29 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    I will certainly say that THE MATRIX is one of the best movie made in the last 25 years, and as an action movie, it's in the top 20 at least. But best movie ever made? I'm with you on that, friend, i love it, but to call it the best movie ever made is just silly. There are times i think there's people who never heard of Akira Kurosawa, you know what i mean?

  • July 16, 2010 1:31 PM CST

    Crimson Dynamo

    by AsimovLives

    It's not dick sucking to acknowledge a truly gifted filmmaker. It's duck sucking when you praise a fucking talentless hack who makes nothing but disposable fluff, like Mickey Bayass, Brett "Rat" Ratner, Jar Jar Abrams, McGburger and the like. Savvy now, friend?

  • July 16, 2010 2:06 PM CST

    If appreciating a quality filmmaker

    by MattmanReturns

    means I'm sucking his dick, then so be it. Quality is in short supply this summer.

  • July 16, 2010 2:08 PM CST

    Asimov, Matrix

    by MattmanReturns

    Yeah definitely one of the best action movies I've seen. But yeah best movie ever? Uh, maybe if you've never seen any given Hitchcock, Kurosawa, or classic Spielberg movie.

  • July 16, 2010 2:14 PM CST

    im sorry nolan is better than spielberg

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    If only for the fact he never cops out like stevie...but as a 25year old, I'm tired of people praisin berg for his yesteryear work...sure his movies were fun and nolstagic but Ithere is no genius behind his work IMO...its all fairly simple...did like the car runnin from tripod scene in wotw (which sucks despite a great first act)

  • July 16, 2010 2:28 PM CST

    long and boring

    by alcester

    well made, nothing special.

  • July 16, 2010 2:51 PM CST

    Can we STOP talking about Trek

    by RPLocke

    OMG Get over it.

  • July 16, 2010 2:53 PM CST

    At least people are realizing Nolan is a good director

    by RPLocke

    now only if they admit Joss Whedon sucks.

  • July 16, 2010 2:54 PM CST

    Matrix IS one of the greatest films...

    by thommcg

    It's how it poses philosophical and other concepts. It gets you thinking.

  • July 16, 2010 2:56 PM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by Jared

    I'd say that Nolan is better than present day Speilberg. But so far Nolan hasn't made a film better than "Close Encounters" or "Raiders".

  • July 16, 2010 3:07 PM CST

    Nolan is a genius!

    by Evangelion217

    "Inception" is probably his best work since "Memento!" :)

  • July 16, 2010 3:08 PM CST

    re rplocke and tennen

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Whedon is GREATdespite makin foolish choices wit Fox....and I may have to rewatch close encounters, but I was sorta bored by raiders when I rewatched that months back...my opinion of berg is like wit literature...sure great gatsby was good for its time, but I don't think its good compared to fight club (don't get me wrong tho I do give the older stuff credit)

  • July 16, 2010 3:12 PM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by RPLocke

    Raiders of the Lost Ark is NOT boring. Any fan of film will tell you it's a great movie. Now, Serenity, that was boring.

  • July 16, 2010 3:21 PM CST

    YourSTEPDADDY

    by Rebeck2

    Actually, it turns out you're the idiot. Only an idiot would slag off Spielberg's epic career and use the words "as a 25 year old" as if they mean anything other than you're too ignorant or arrogant to know what you don't know yet. I've seen INCEPTION and if you think people will still be talking about it 25-30 years from now, as we are Spielberg's work, then you're delusional on top of it all.

  • July 16, 2010 3:22 PM CST

    Oh, And Leave Founder Alone

    by Rebeck2

    You fuckin' bully.

  • July 16, 2010 3:27 PM CST

    You know the part with the van...(spoilerish)

    by CherryValance

    and the hallway and the swelling music? I like totally teared up because it was so awesome. It wasn't sad or anything just super evocative. I want to see it again. I mean I think I get it but then again everytime I rewatch The Prestige I have to reconsider whether I got it or not and I'm thinking the same thing might happen here. The last shots mess with my head. There's nothing to complain about with Inception and nothing else to talk about unless your going to hash out the plot. But I totally agree with your review.

  • July 16, 2010 3:33 PM CST

    Children's clothes and ages

    by decus702

    I didn't notice this upon first viewing but I've been reading bloggers citing that the children's clothing and ages establish that Cobb was still in limbo at the end. The children were wearing the same clothes they wore throughout all of his flashbacks. Any thoughts?

  • July 16, 2010 3:43 PM CST

    decus702

    by ThereWolf

    I think it's probably deliberate on Nolan's part in order to spin out the mystery - particularly with regards the ending.

    He's keeping us guessing.

    Good spot though, I didn't pick that up...

  • July 16, 2010 3:50 PM CST

    yourSTEPDADDY

    by AsimovLives

    The thing about Spielberg is that he's a 60 years old guy, with all that entail. and i don't think he lost his talent, but it's about making the same old adventure movies he used to make. He's a different man now, he's a different Spielberg. He's the gyuy who now makes good movies if they are like Munich, but fucks up if he tries to kiss geek's ass and tries to make movies like he used to when he was 30 years old. He's not that Spielberg anymore,a nd the sooner the geeks and Spielberg himself accept that fact definatly, the better. I want to see more of the Spielberg who made Munich, i don't want to see Spielberg making a fool of himself trying to recatpure the older days and fucking up like he did with CRYSTAL SKULLFUCK.

  • July 16, 2010 4:14 PM CST

    rebeck i am an idiot

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I admit that when it comes to tbers. I liked tf and tf2 and thought x3 and sm3 were better than the previous 2 incarnations. I'm not arrogant, I just enjoy things that I can relate to. bob dylan and led zeppelin both have epic careers but their songs probably wouldn't resonate as much to me as say modest mouse or queens of the stone age would. Furthermore, to me there's 3 types of directors. Bad directors, directors who make good movies, and gifted geniuses who direct movies. Nolan, hitchcock, and fincher are the 3rd kind whereas berg is the 2nd and eli roth the 1st

  • July 16, 2010 4:19 PM CST

    that's what I was going to check on rewatch (end spoilers)

    by CherryValance

    The kids' clothes. If they're the same, then yeah, he was dreaming. Because my thing was that when he would spin the top in "reality" it would always fall. But then he said his wife would spin it and it wouldn't fall. So when it kept spinning I was like, 'uh oh'

  • July 16, 2010 4:35 PM CST

    skullfuck was lucas' fault

    by AsimovLives

    BULLSHIT!! The fault of that debacle will not die single. no, it's not George Luvas's single fault. It's Lucas, Spielberg and Ford. Those 3 fucked up the movie. Those 3. Each with equal amount of blame. Equality. They fucked up. And i stress THEY. The 3, all of them.

  • July 16, 2010 4:36 PM CST

    Dudes, easy on the spoilers

    by AsimovLives

    There's foreigner,s like me, who will only watch this movie only next week, in my case, July the 22th. So, please, no spoilers, ok? Thank you very much.

  • July 16, 2010 4:56 PM CST

    SHAMCEPTION

    by inceptionsucks

    Michael Caine is implanting an idea in Leo's head. The whole movie is a dream, ie the spinning top at the end. This took 10 years to write?

  • July 16, 2010 5:25 PM CST

    asimov..

    by emeraldboy

    where are you from?

  • July 16, 2010 5:30 PM CST

    loved the film

    by antonphd

    god i hope it does well because it was a great flick.

  • July 16, 2010 5:32 PM CST

    Wow, are we STILL bashing Star Wars?

    by RPLocke

    Get over it people. bash something that deserves it, like fucking Despicable me.

  • July 16, 2010 5:44 PM CST

    no lets bash gijoe

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Seems fittin since its jgl worst movie ever...even worse than halloweenh2o

  • July 16, 2010 6:02 PM CST

    Cast JGL in Batman 3...

    by Blancoshadow

    Dick Grayson (Robin), perfect age comparison to Bale...Nolan doesn't have to make the sidekick a 14 year old twerp...

  • July 16, 2010 6:24 PM CST

    I'm an imbecile? F-uck U!

    by The Founder

    That's the problem with a$$holes who think only their opinions matter.

  • Maybe some didn't bother to read the rest of my post below my comment. I SAID TO ME IT IS! It's also my dame opinion. Some people have their favorite films and others don't. In my viewing history The Matrix is my personel favorite, so there for it's the greatest to me. Now many won't agree an can make arguments why another film is better. Again it's a matter of opinion.

  • July 16, 2010 6:43 PM CST

    JGL as Robin? A 30 year old? Nightwing is a better choice

    by The Founder

    I'm just saying is all

  • July 16, 2010 7:08 PM CST

    No Robin FFS

    by Autodidact

    Are you out of your GD mind talking about Robin? The day Nolan puts Robin in a Batman movie is the day I lose interest in mainstream culture altogether and get into hiking.

  • July 16, 2010 7:10 PM CST

    Cobb was the target

    by sexualchocolate

    Saw it last night, and despite being unable to convince any of my friends, my theory was that the Cobb was the target of the Inception from the get go and that the team was being orchestrated by Michael Caine's character in order to help Cobb come to terms with Mal. Caine eventually lead him to his dream world to be with kids that probably never existed outside of Cobb's mind. It seemed to that Watanabe's character was calling Caine's when he awoke to let him know that the inception was successful, hence him waiting for him at the gate and the children appearing to not have aged in the all the time Cobb was apparently "gone". Need to see it again, but, for me personally, seemed like a more satisfying conclusion. In any case, the fact it's inspired such intelligent debate means Nolan did his job.

  • July 16, 2010 7:18 PM CST

    I Almost Spent $20 Today Replacing a Broken Blade Runner Disc

    by Autodidact

    The day I got a blu-ray setup, my first pick off the movie rack was Blade Runner Final Cut 5-disc. I proceeded to snap the main disc in two removing it from the packaging. Today on the way home from Inception I saw that 5-disc edition for $20. I didn't buy it. But then my next stop was at the comic store where I spent $20 for Incorruptible, vol. 1. Just when it was getting good, and I thought it was the last chapter, it was a cover gallery. I wish I spent that $20 on Blade Runner to replace my broken Final Cut disc (there are 3 other cuts of the movies in the same restored quality on the other discs in the set, so I still have the movie on blu-ray, just not the "final edition" cut). Just like how last week I wished I had spent $20 on the new Predator blu-ray instead of seeing Predators, even though I've already bought Predator on blu-ray (the first Predator blu-ray is a major upgrade in quality compared to the DVD, don't listen to the fucking idiots who need everything to be the best-ever or they call it shit). So that's two weeks in the row I would have rather, in retrospect, double-dipped on something I already own.

    Oh and Inception was good. Didn't like it half as much as I wanted to, but I can't say it wasn't a great movie. I might've gotten more out of it if I didn't spend the first half of the movie annoyed as fuck by the guy next to me who literally spazzed out and did aerobics about every thirty seconds in his seat. Fucking asswipe. I ended up moving, which was awesome. Note to self, go back to getting to movies late so that you can see where everyone is sitting and get the fuck away from the moronic pieces of shit who don't understand the concept of sitting still and quiet and watching a goddamn movie. Oh and as a bonus, there was an empty seat to my left, with a lady sitting in the seat past that. She decided to put her popcorn in the empty seat, close to me. Remember an emtpy seat sits up so the popcorn's damn near at head height as she's reaching over and scrabblnig her fingers around in the bag. I had some seriously murderous impulses for both of them until I moved. Strike the last note to self. Revised note to self: Bring a hand-grenade to the movies next time. Just joking. Real note to self: Wait for blu-ray.

  • July 16, 2010 7:36 PM CST

    Re : AsimovLives

    by Real Deal

    Don't you get it? No one cares what you thought about Star Trek. They won't care about what kind of bashing you do about the next Star Trek movie either ( unless it's really bad ). It'll probably be good also and make a lot of money and you'll be trying to tell everyone how bad it is. No one will care. Especially years later.

  • July 16, 2010 7:50 PM CST

    Good call flounder about Nightwing...

    by Blancoshadow

    But hell we probably have one more Batman with Nolan so we gotta get that character intoduced and moving...Storyline is better anyways with Grayson as Batman...Return of Bruce Wayne is utter garbage right now, keep him lost in time...

  • July 16, 2010 8:07 PM CST

    question

    by vivalabeck

    saw it today, loved it. havent had a real viceral experience at the cinema like that since i was a kid, when movies were still magical. def still have some questions about it (tho not nearly as many as my dad, who was totally lost and confused) - such as, if cobb knew that his wife was suicidal because of the idea he put in her head, why wouldnt he just hook her up to the dream machine again and extract that thought, or put a new one in that would help her accept reality? again, only saw it once so mighta missed something.

  • July 16, 2010 8:37 PM CST

    Good Point, vivalabeck

    by Rebeck2

    Seriously, that's the most intelligent question I've heard yet on the plot. Interesting and very true.

  • July 16, 2010 8:58 PM CST

    just got back

    by SQUIDDLY

    Uber film, could not take my eyes of the screen for a second. The action was incredible the van rolling and changing the gravity in the dream was fantastic. Joseph gordon levitt is the man and so is tom hardy.

  • July 16, 2010 9:17 PM CST

    Better than Avatar. Which means...

    by PennsyDeux

    there better not be any other name in the Best Picture envelope next March like Winter's Bone or The Kids are All Right. All debate on 2010's best film ended today.

  • July 16, 2010 9:56 PM CST

    Well, it felt like 2 and half hours.

    by shutupfanboy

    I am not in the love it category, but it would be stupid not to say its the best picture of the summer if not the year. I will say its very good and its going to lead to endless debate about is he alive, who the target was and a number of other things. Yet, I can easily see a sequel that will piss everyone off and make a ton of money.

  • July 16, 2010 10:29 PM CST

    I can see the Oscars now.

    by RPLocke

    Toy Story 3, Discpicble Me, Inception, some other films. Toy Story 3 wins.

  • July 16, 2010 11:30 PM CST

    A-mazing! Best Movie of the YEAR!

    by erwiny

    I've been going to this site for over 8 years now, and this film actually compelled me to sign up and post for the first time ever. Just saw this movie and it completely spun my head around! Story telling, photography, acting - All superb!

  • July 17, 2010 12:27 AM CST

    THE TOP

    by TheTop

    GIVES INCEPTION FOUR WOBBLES OUT OF FOUR

  • July 17, 2010 12:29 AM CST

    wow...

    by KevinMuller

    I am in complete awe of what I just saw... It is pure cinematic genius that works on so many levels...Nolan, thank you.

  • July 17, 2010 12:53 AM CST

    Just Saw INCEPTION...

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    And all I can say is WOW!!! This isnot only the best film I have seen so far this year, but it is also one of the most original films I have EVER seen. Everything about this film is superb. Kudos to Nolan and company for making this awesome film. This film makes SHUTTER ISLAND look like the stinking turd that it truly is! INCEPTION=Instant Classic!

  • July 17, 2010 12:59 AM CST

    My review

    by MrDexter

    I looked at my watch

  • July 17, 2010 1:14 AM CST

    Hold on now

    by Juwanna_Mann_2_Fanboy

    People need to understand what Nolan is doing. He's bringing back good film making, where everything happening on screen at all times both entertains and advances the story forward. He combines exposition, gripping emotion and character development, staged within some of the most original action set pieces I've ever seen, wrapped layer upon layer of reality. What he has done with Inception doesn't only remind us of what great film making has and always will be, but creates entirely new story formulas, achieving a level complex structuring of which we've never seen until now. He explores and employs every possible facet of the film's premise, and never sacrifices one story element for another. He connects everything. I'm really disappointed with some of the comments I'm reading. People seem to be blinded by the over-saturation of mediocre movies being shoved down their throat. But if you seriously can't recognize a movie as good as this, and the stark contrast between it and the other s**t surrounding it in the cinema, then you need to wake up. No pun intended. I could go on and on about this, please don't make me. End of debate.

  • July 17, 2010 2:20 AM CST

    Excellent Film!

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Tom Berenger looked like complete shit! It took me like ten minutes to realize that was him. He looked like Mickey Rourke's grandfather.

  • July 17, 2010 2:25 AM CST

    Movies don't get much better than that

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm fairly speechless right now, but that was one of the most creative movies I've seen in a looong time. So intricately constructed, entertaining, and moving. The cast was just perfect. It's also wonderful to see a film BUILD to a climax, rather than being ALL climax, as so many films are now. And that last scene... fuck me, that was beautifully done.

  • July 17, 2010 3:00 AM CST

    Am I a troll if I thought it was only a C- movie?

    by Tom_Bombadil

    Just curious if its okay to say I didn't think this was the greatest movie I've ever seen. In fact, I thought Toy Story 3 was the best movie I've seen in at least a year. This movie sadly I will forget most of by the end of next week. I am not a troll and I didn't care much for this movie I've been wait to see since I heard about it like most of you.

  • July 17, 2010 3:05 AM CST

    Tom, no you're not a troll

    by MattmanReturns

    You're just honest. A troll will tell other people they're stupid for their opinion, or just talk shit for sake of talking shit. Not every movie is gonna hit the right note. There are people here who loved Shutter Island, but that one just didn't work for me at all.

  • July 17, 2010 3:50 AM CST

    LOL @ sansara and Avatar

    by MandrakeRoot

    Why would Cameron be upset that a movie got good reviews? How is Inception being good have anything to do with James Cameron? If anything, Cameron would be pleased. He expressed admiration for TDK just as Nolan did for Avatar.

    These men are passionate filmmakers, not squabbling children like those who popular this site. No one is trying to one up the other. Even if they were - for arguments sake - Cameron would still win out. Avatar and Inception got equally positive reviews, and Avatar had a historic theatrical run. What Cameorn achieved will likely never be beat, so to think he's upset that someone made a good movie is beyond stupid.

    And seriously, watch some more movies. Avatar and Titanic won countless big awards because they're the worst movies ever....riiiight.

    Sansara is clearly a lame Nolan dicksucker who just cannot stand the unparalled success of Cameron. Nolan is a great filmmaker, but he'll never acheieve the greatness that is T1, T2, and Aliens, nor will he be the visionary who changes cinema.

  • July 17, 2010 3:57 AM CST

    Juwanna

    by Rebeck2

    No...it's not the "end of the debate". Just because you gave your formal declaration of THE WAY IT IS AND THAT'S THAT, doesn't mean the rest of us don't have our own opinions. Funny how that works, huh? But since you've told us it's a masterpiece and anyone who disagrees is a communist, I guess you can mosey on along and shut the fuck up while other people weigh in. What do ya' think? For some of us, this movie isn't all that. GASP. It's the work of a talented man, but that doesn't mean it entertains enough to become a favorite. But, hey, I'm just speaking for myself. That's all anyone can do.

  • July 17, 2010 4:13 AM CST

    It has become painfully clear to me...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ..that the majority of the bad reviews (the ones on RT, at least) fall under two broad categories. 1. 'I simply didn't get it'. Some reviewers just flat admit they didn't understand the fastpaced plot, while others completely misunderstood the conceit of the film. 2. Critics being subversive for subversive's sake. Armond White being the prime example, as said principle is his sole reason for existence. When opinions are formed by something as juvenile as wanting to be against the grain, its corresponding rhetoric becomes all too transparent. Then there are reviewers like AO Scott who didn't believe Nolan went for enough with his philosophical implications (which is legitimately fair and honest response). With that being said, while opinions obviously will differ, I find it hard for one to not admire the sheer audacity to try to take such tried and true subject matter (i.e. existentialism) and commit to it in such a way that is both familiar, new and exciting. Personally, I came out of the flick on a natural high. I can't tell you the last time a movie made me feel that way. In a time where sequels, remakes and technological determinism (seriously, when the hell is 3D going to die?) is running amuck, it's refreshing to see that we still have some auteurs that isn't M. Night Shamaylan.

  • July 17, 2010 4:38 AM CST

    The Third Category...

    by Rebeck2

    Could be 3) They didn't like the fucking movie all that much. It's far-fetched but possible. This is a movie not a religious experience (despite some of the comments here) and it's not heresy to think it falls short. Lighten the fuck up and leave room for simple disagreement. You like it, I get it - just don't be so pretentious about it. And I "get" the film too...I just prefer my films to be 90% entertainment and 10% exposition, not the other way around.

  • July 17, 2010 5:27 AM CST

    Hopefully it's going be better than the magician movie

    by chien_sale

    The con sucked in that one.

  • July 17, 2010 5:32 AM CST

    there may also be a fourth category...

    by emeraldboy

    I havent seen the film and I will. but if critics dont like. it could be because they dont like the idea of an action film that makes them think. maybe they contend that the only films that make you think are book adaptations. and popcorn movies.

  • July 17, 2010 7:16 AM CST

    Not Amazing

    by 5onthe5

    I remember years ago Harry called out Matrix 2 for promising more than it delivered. Someone in the film talks about how "werewolves and vampires" sneak into the Matrix. Harry wanted to know what happened to the werewolves and vampires when they never showed up in the movie. Well that's how I felt watching Inception. Long scenes about how Ellen Page must create maze-like worlds, about how she can create awesome new architecture and defy physics...so we're gonna see some amazing scenes later where the characters chase and explore her amazing dream worlds, right? No. She invents a normal hotel. That, to me, is promising more than you deliver.

  • July 17, 2010 7:19 AM CST

    A couple of other ideas.

    by 5onthe5

    I didn't find Cobb and Mal to be sympathetic characters really. In fact I kinda resented that they would leave their children for fifty years (to them) and then not be able to handle their shit with the lucid dreaming.

  • July 17, 2010 7:21 AM CST

    Plus...

    by 5onthe5

    Cobb and Mal live in a world of infinite subconscious for years, they can create and furnish their world at will, and all they could manage was infinite rows of identical skyscrapers? What boring pricks they must be.

  • July 17, 2010 7:50 AM CST

    I have been thinking about this alot *SPOILERS*

    by JackIsLost

    And I do think there is a lot of evidence that it could all be just a dream, not just that final shot. At first glance I thought Nolan was just fucking with us for the fun of it and I loved the audience reaction when it cut to black...AWWW!!! They wanted that top to fall over so bad, they were so into it! I imagine it would be the same reaction you would get if you screened the finale of the Sopranos in front of a theater audience for the first time. But if you think about it, none of the characters in the movie have stories outside their relationship to the DiCaprio character, much like in a dream the other people who populate are basically all just extensions of yourself. Further, the chase scene near the beginning where DiCaprio is running from agents of the botched job resembles all the chase scenes in the dream scenes closely, even though it takes place in the "real" world. Are his former employees really that pissed that he failed that they need to KILL him or his own subconscious turning on him??? I am glad the movie doesn't come down and say one way or the other if the final scene is real or if the DiCaprio is still dreaming, with his wife and children waiting for him in real life (I guess he would be in some sort of coma state, I'm not sure). ONE FINAL NOTE: I had several vivid dreams in the previous nights but last night, after seeing this film, I had my first night of dreamless sleep in forever. I don't know that it means anything but it seemed kind of weird...

  • July 17, 2010 7:55 AM CST

    *Correction: employers, not employees

    by JackIsLost

    I also think that, just like THE SOPRANOS finale, people will either love or hate the ending of this film, for pretty much exactly the same reason. If anything, INCEPTION's ending is even MORE ambiguous and some people just flat out hate ambiguity.

  • July 17, 2010 9:00 AM CST

    The key scene in INCEPTION was the

    by soladeo1

  • July 17, 2010 9:01 AM CST

    Is Harry going to review this?

    by Jared

    Kinda surprised there's only a couple reviews of this on the site.

  • July 17, 2010 9:05 AM CST

    Key Scene: "2nd" Watanabe/Saiko Scene

    by soladeo1

    Saw it last night. Mesmerized by it. Loved it. SPOILERS BELOW For me, the critical scene was right at the tail-end of the 2nd Watanabe/Saiko scene near the end, right when Saiko's ancient, wizened hand grabs for the pistol... So many different directions the "narrative" could have gone after this. I really do think, when it's all said and done, that the Michael Caine character was gunning for Cobb all along to help him come to grips over the loss of Mal. Cobb was the target.

  • July 17, 2010 9:15 AM CST

    Good Movie? Yes. Best Ever? No Way...

    by Mr. Profit

    Saw it last night on IMAX. I enjoyed it. But it's annoying to read how people are assuming it will go over most people's heads.

    The movie is not complex. Wordy? Maybe. But complex? No. Everything you need to know about this world Nolan created is explained to the audience in meticulous detail.

    And to ensure no one is potentially lost, Ellen Page's character is written to be the audience surrogate. She asks the questions a confused moviegoer would ask in order to get clarification.

    The action was slightly improved for Nolan. But save for the impressive zero gravity hallway fight, the rest was still choppy.

    Everyone does a good job acting-wise. And the film is indeed engaging. But I don't see how much replay value the film honestly has. Once you learn the rules of this world Nolan creates, I would imagine all the explanation would be tedious upon second viewing.

    The ending to me was a bit of a cop-out. The audience collectively sucked their teeth when the credits rolled. But the ending didn't ruin the film for me at all.

    Again it was a good movie. But I don't think it was the "best movie in the history of life". People need to chill on the hyperbole.

    It's a solid Summer heist movie with good acting. This film isn't the huge game changer people are making it out to be.

  • July 17, 2010 9:18 AM CST

    I dont want to send this place into frenzy...

    by emeraldboy

    is harry a lot sicker then he is leading to believe?

  • July 17, 2010 9:31 AM CST

    making an inception ...

    by mythicjawa

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Joker Ellen Page as Harley Quinn

  • July 17, 2010 10:13 AM CST

    Jawa

    by Jor-El23

    how about Levitt as Riddler or Tom Hardy as Penguin? Or Coitillard as Catwoman? I have a feeling one of the actors in Inception that Nolan had previously never worked with will end up in the third Batman movie.

  • July 17, 2010 10:19 AM CST

    could be dicaprio..

    by emeraldboy

    who will end up in the next batman film? but as Dicaprio as just bagged the role of Hoover. i doubt it. will any actor want to star with bale. will anyone else want to work with bale? and could warners re cast batman again. I dont know how many batman films bale signed up to do?

  • July 17, 2010 10:20 AM CST

    it has been 3 years since the dark knight..

    by emeraldboy

    that is a long gap between bat projects.

  • July 17, 2010 10:25 AM CST

    emeraldboy

    by submarinevoyage

    The Dark Knight opened summer 2008. It's been two years. Also, Batman Returns and Forever opened three years after the film before in their series. That's pretty typical for sequels. However, the next Batman film opens summer 2012, so it will have been four years total since Dark Knight was out.

  • July 17, 2010 10:44 AM CST

    people who say

    by SQUIDDLY

    we shouldn't hype the film up too much. Why not? if i thought it was one of the best films i have ever seen i am going to say so. Dont tell me how much to enjoy shit. You people are so far up your own arses it fucking bugs me.

  • July 17, 2010 11:18 AM CST

    Where is Harry's review?

    by FlyingToupee

    I want to read his thoughts on this movie. Best film of the year so far.

  • July 17, 2010 11:21 AM CST

    Saw Inception last night

    by ninefingeredfrodo

    It was wonderful! Totally blew me away. Much like Children of Men did after seeing it the first time. The plot was clear....not confusing. And Nolan's nod to James Bond, especially in the "winter scenes" was enjoyable. I'll see it again. It's been the best movie I've seen all summer.

  • July 17, 2010 11:30 AM CST

    I'm scared of being labelled a moron.......

    by laguna_loire

    .......I saw Inception this afternoon, and by goodness I loved every minute of it!! The audience all howled in frustration when the very last scene faded to black (me too!!), and I think its probably the best of the summer crop. I'm happy that Nolan turned his attention to this, and has made us wait for Batman part 3. A bloody good film (please note, spoiler free!!).

  • July 17, 2010 12:02 PM CST

    Does Harry review movies anymore?

    by MattmanReturns

    Kinda depressing that his last review was Airbender.

  • July 17, 2010 12:46 PM CST

    The reason why Memento is better than Inception...

    by zinc_chameleon

    is because it is a video-journal (told both forwards and backwards) of Leonard Shelby's LAST DAY ON EARTH. That same night, Natalie phones Dodd, and tells him where Leonard is. Dodd brings a friend, they break in to the right room in the Desert Inn, shoot Lenny, but leave the Sig-Sauer automatic, which is unregistered. The police figure that Lenny is a dead drug enforcer, and walk away scratching their heads. What does Dom Cobb have at stake like that?

  • July 17, 2010 12:48 PM CST

    i think that harry is very

    by emeraldboy

    ill. and is trying keep everyone fearing the worst, I reckon.

  • July 17, 2010 12:51 PM CST

    Rebeck

    by Juwanna_Mann_2_Fanboy

    The movie is by definition a masterpiece. In every sense of the word. I get it if you had problems with certain parts of the film, but anyone who says it's "bad" or any variation of the word "bad" seriously need to reconsider their opinion. If you seriously still think that after seeing it a second time, then you just flat out don't know what good story telling or film making is. Normally I'm not this black and white about things. Normally I dwell in the gray areas. Not this time around. This was a masterpiece in every conceivable way. That's why I said end of debate. Go ahead and discuss the film. But shut the fuck up if you think it's a bad movie. You sound like a baby who doesn't know what it wants. It's so fucking rare that we are treated to a movie like this, if you can't appreciate it, then you are the very thing that is wrong with society these days. You don't know a good thing when it stares you in face.

  • July 17, 2010 1:05 PM CST

    the top (spoiler)

    by AntoniusBloc

    I think cutting away from the top is essentially saying "to be continued" in the clearest way possible without writing it on screen. Haven't seen a second time yet, but almost all the possibilities speculated above make sense: but the problem is, it is just speculation, i don't think, at least upon first viewing, Nolan gives us enough to read into, say perhaps, just one example, Caine as the mastermind, the one trying to plant an idea, makes sense, but not enough yet to conclude that. If the top is shown to fall, then no sequel, and a pretty satisfying ending, but for all the talk of the dangers of limbo, Cobb and Saito almost SEEM to escape too easily. If I had to guess now, the end is not reality, still a dream, guess it has to be limbo, maybe not, but as someone pointed out above, the ages of the kids are important. Now, I do not believe the entire movie is a dream, I don't think there is enough there to make that conclusion. And IF the movie ends in dream, the protagonist did not achieve his goal, to see his REAL kids, and he esablished when he breaks the psychological hold Mal has on him that she was nothing more than a shadow, a shallow memory created only from his mind, not the true complex human she really was, and if the end was still a dream, that would appply to his kids as well, meaning, the goal not even close to accomplished, so at least for now, my theory, a sequel, and cutting away from top meant: to be continued

  • July 17, 2010 1:10 PM CST

    *spoiler* question for those who have seen it *spoiler*

    by atomic_robo_kid

    i usually can pick up on accents well and don't have a lot of trouble understanding what non-native english speakers say in movies. however, at the beginning, i had a little bit of trouble understanding a few things that seito says. do we find out that seito actually hired cobb to break into his own mind to test him to see if he was good enough to perform an inception? that was what i took away, but couldn't tell if that was being discussed in the helicopter. did i just make that up, or is that what happened?

  • July 17, 2010 1:23 PM CST

    Please....Help Me....I Must Retain My Sanity

    by sportello

    I am not looking to piss off Nolan's fans, nor am I trying to be negative for the sake of it. I love movies, with might, and I just can't take it anymore. I saw this movie last night and I'm appalled at the attempt by so many to canonize Nolan. I need some support here. SOMEBODY else must find wall-to-wall bombastic Hans Zimmer a lame aesthetic choice. SOMEBODY must agree that this movie is edited like it's own trailer. SOMEBODY must agree that the script is WAY too stuffed with information, so much so that the whole thing feels like exposition. SOMEBODY else must think this movie looks and moves like a totally generic and unartistic action movie. SOMEBODY must find it amazing that this purported dream movie lacks any genuine dream logic and true surrealism. SOMEBODY must think it unimaginiative that all the levels look almost identical, and that Nolan refuses to use color or lighting to emphasize his world. SOMEBODY must sense the general lack of dynamics here. SOMEBODY must realize this movie has simply grafted a stock "angsty" DiCaprio performance into a new script and tried to pawn it off as a unique character. SOMEBODY must think a masterpiece would never include totally irrelevant and implacably motivated "characters" like Ellen Page's architet. SOMEBODY must think this is not only not a masterpiece, but actually find themselves personally insulted when they hear it compared to Kubrick or Hitchcock. SOMEBODY must think this script is not actually complex, but merely complicated. PLEASE HELP ME! SHOW YOURSELF! I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE!!! A low-rent Michael Mann is our generation's prime auteur???? STOP THE PAIN!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2010 1:25 PM CST

    atomic

    by AntoniusBloc

    yeah, he says it in the dream too that they were being tested

  • July 17, 2010 1:37 PM CST

    There should not be a Inception sequel

    by Tom_Bombadil

    Spoiler Alert!!!!!! I think the way the movie ended was sad. He so didn't want to be trapped in the dream worlds that was the purpose for spinning his little top. He so wanted to be with his children that he didn't stay focused at the end for the answer. Will he ever escape??? Who knows. Did he finish his Inception with the Murphy character? We really don't know. Leave it (the movie) alone. As I said earlier I only give this movie a C-. It did keep my interest throughout the film though. I doubt I would watch a sequel. I don't want to sit through it again and I don't really want to find out if he gets out. I can see why people would like this movie. I also see why people would hate this movie. I could be wrong but I doubt it will make enough money to warrant a part two of it.

  • July 17, 2010 1:37 PM CST

    There should not be a Inception sequel

    by Tom_Bombadil

    Spoiler Alert!!!!!! I think the way the movie ended was sad. He so didn't want to be trapped in the dream worlds that was the purpose for spinning his little top. He so wanted to be with his children that he didn't stay focused at the end for the answer. Will he ever escape??? Who knows. Did he finish his Inception with the Murphy character? We really don't know. Leave it (the movie) alone. As I said earlier I only give this movie a C-. It did keep my interest throughout the film though. I doubt I would watch a sequel. I don't want to sit through it again and I don't really want to find out if he gets out. I can see why people would like this movie. I also see why people would hate this movie. I could be wrong but I doubt it will make enough money to warrant a part two of it.

  • July 17, 2010 1:38 PM CST

    Sportello is alono

    by shutupfanboy

    Well, I don't think its a Masterpiece, its still a very good film and so far the best I have seen this year. I am not a big fan of the score since all it sounded like was a tuba playing a long note. I don't think Michael Mann could come close to the imagination of this film, he is more human element with a crime surrounded around it. I also think the female architect's motivation was fairly spelled out, she is a visionary who just saw the mother of all visions and wants back in. I also don't think we needed another ten to twenty explaining motivation while a line or two can do it. My complaint is the van chase went on too long and the driver's side window or rear view mirror kept getting blowing up for no reason. I am sure I get rip it apart, but to me it felt a bit too long and I am not sure though what I would cut out expect a few minutes of the van chase other then that, everything else has to stay in the picture.

  • July 17, 2010 1:44 PM CST

    Made 21 million on Friday....

    by odo19

    http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2010-7-17-box-office-leonardo-dicaprio-stays-hot-as-inception-opens-to-20-million-friday?m=k

    So Shines a good deed in a weary world.

  • July 17, 2010 1:56 PM CST

    Tom - SPOILER

    by AntoniusBloc

    But the ending being sad is still based on assumption since we don't know if the top keeps going, so again, like many logical conclusions, they are based on something we don't know based on what we have seen. So, the choice to cut away from the top means Nolan wants to leave it a question mark, which for some, like me, would weaken the ending. Or, he is saying the story isn't over, otherwise why bother to cut away from the top?

  • July 17, 2010 2:08 PM CST

    thanks AntoniusBloc!

    by atomic_robo_kid

    i thought that was the case, but was doubting my own perception of the events from the movie ;)

  • July 17, 2010 2:17 PM CST

    21 MILLION? Did about Predators business.

    by RPLocke

    Should make about 200 in the long run.

  • July 17, 2010 2:21 PM CST

    i CAN'T believe you're jogging like my daddy!

    by evergreen_peppermint_and_flashlight

    "Corey Feldman with a beard for the Riddler, seriously."

    Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

  • July 17, 2010 2:54 PM CST

    One thing I'm not clear about

    by TheMcflyFarm

    When they were planning the inception, they were talking about how long it would feel like they were in the dream by the 3rd level or something, and they said it would be like 10 years. Did I hear that right because it didn't seem like ten years?

  • July 17, 2010 2:57 PM CST

    evergreen_peppermint_and_flashli ght

    by RPLocke

    Most online critics are full of it. They argue over pointless problems with a movie, and then praise it because someone they like is in it. Fuck, I just heard someone compare it to Brazil?!! Brazil sucked!!

  • July 17, 2010 3:20 PM CST

    @sportello

    by 5onthe5

    Yes I completely agree about the score - I thought it was really overdone, constantly banging away as if to say "This film is exciting! It has momentum! No really, feel the momentum!"

  • July 17, 2010 3:22 PM CST

    Really Fucking Awesome

    by LaserPants

    Nolan is swiftly becoming legendary. Can't wait to see what he'll bring us for Batman 3.

  • July 17, 2010 3:27 PM CST

    @Sportello part 2

    by 5onthe5

    Actually I agree with everything you said. It's not just you.

  • July 17, 2010 3:30 PM CST

    Leonardo Di Caprio trivia question

    by 5onthe5

    In which movie did Leonardo Di Caprio play a man who had lost his wife in traumatic circumstances, and now found the lines of reality and subconscious fantasy starting to blur as his mind struggled to cope with the loss?

  • July 17, 2010 4:16 PM CST

    sportello I'll agree with but only slightly.

    by The Founder

    The film was indeed good, and in my first post i truly wanted to find major flaws in it but I coudn't. Not because I was looking for them or don't like Norton, but because too many of these fanboys here is over blowing this director. Nolan is a good director but the best? I think not. I wasn't a huge fan of his Batman films. They were entertaining movies but action and fight sequences that had it been someone like Abrams they all would bitched and moaned and yet Nolan somehow gets a pass cause they love him. I don't think their is a such thing as the best director. I personally think James Cameron is better but that's my opinion. Too many here have such contempt for actors or directors they don't deem cool. It's sometimes sickening how most of them go on. Jar Jar Abrams anyone? Who's a decent dirctor by the way and makes pretty solid films. Nolan's films have been more artistic and thought provoking. He does that well but as he best director ever or the greatest of this genration? I think that's going overboard. I enjoy all kids of movies and rate them according to how they make me feel. Inception was a good film, probably the 2nd best I've enjoyed in my movie going expierence( and their is quite a few) when films started meaning something to me.

  • July 17, 2010 4:25 PM CST

    I personally don't see a need for a sequel.

    by The Founder

    I don't see where their is a need to go with it. What to find out if Leo's chracter was in the dream wolrd? That's not good enough. The problem I'll have is can a good enough be made? Probably not, at least not based off just answer about Leo's character. This is problem with the Matrix. The film didn't really need a sequel but WB did one anyway cause of the dollar. We got two more Matrix films that didn't do anything for me at least. I found them to be entertaining and nothing more. Maybe with time the Wachoski's could've come up with a story to further the 1st Matrix but they didn't. I don't want this to happen with Inception. This is just a movie where I can't think of any need to be a sequel. Maybe if Nolan went another direction or story and it doesnt involve leo's character then I'm willing to hop on board.

  • July 17, 2010 4:27 PM CST

    SPOILER

    by lantern48

    *SPOILER* The fun part is catching the double Inception here. The point where in reality Cobb decides to let himself be "conned" by Saito and his promise to "send him back home." As you know, the movie set its rules about planting an idea in another's head: You can't, because that person will always know that idea came from someone else. This is why Fischer had to be taken to a sublevel in the dream within a dream, within a dream - to make him believe the idea to refuse his inheritance, was his own. After the failed attempt at stealing Saito's secret (which we learn to have been just a test/audition anyway), Nash (first architect), rats everyone else out to save himself. This is when Saito is waiting for Cobb and Arthur in the helicopter. And this is when Saito dangles the carrot that Cobb can't refuse. If you recall, Cobb asks for a guarantee that Saito can make good on his promise, but Saito cannot. And what Saito says next, "I'm asking you to take a leap of faith" ( also repeated multiple times by Mal), is the key line where Cobb knows this to mean that Saito will plant the idea in Cobb's mind that he can go home again. Cobb's first attempt at inception was on his wife. And upon returning to reality, it was what clouded her ability to differentiate the dream world from the real world. The inception worked too well. And it was this guilt that Cobb carried, that he tried to lock away in "the basement." It is important to note that Mal can't be a part of home anymore. The paradox here, is where Cobb has to first erase his projection of her - she was already a corrupted idea (a parasite) running amuck and sabotaging his and anyone else's dreamworld he was in. He needed to let her go. His children however...he would never look at their faces, he didn't want to corrupt the idea of them - he kept his memory of them pure. Now fast forward to where Cobb is when he speaks to the old Saito - he is in limbo, the level of pure subconscious. This is where Cobb has the idea implanted that he can go home again. This is why upon returning home, his children look exactly the same and are even wearing the same clothes and in the exact position he has always seen them in his (and others) dreams throughout the movie. Except now, he can see their faces again - because he believes he is finally home.

  • July 17, 2010 4:42 PM CST

    wah wah wah

    by SQUIDDLY

    I hate this film and please let someone else hate it so im not such a huge fucking baby. Cant you just not like it and leave it at that? Why do you need other people to agree with your opinion

  • July 17, 2010 5:34 PM CST

    Hey Squiddly

    by sportello

    I thought this was a film discussion board? I was attempting to discuss my issues with the film, and using a rhetorical strategy to do so. If your attitude is "Cant you just not like it and leave it at that" then what the fuck are you doing on a movie discussion board?

  • July 17, 2010 5:59 PM CST

    sportello

    by SQUIDDLY

    I wasnt aiming it at you actually but saying "the movie was shit" wont someone agree with me isnt the same as saying "i thought the music was overdone in places" and see if that is a general consensus or not. That would be a discussion. I find some people who dont like a particular movie try and force others not to like it so they feel some sort of justification of their opinion.

  • July 17, 2010 6:08 PM CST

    SOMEONE ANSWER - is this explained in the movie??

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    (SPOILERS!!)



    There's only one main point in the movie I still cannot figure out:

    Leo and his wife appaerently grow old together in limbo...they show their wrinkled hands. Then, how come when they lay on the train tracks to get out of limbo, they still appear young??

  • July 17, 2010 6:11 PM CST

    gibson

    by SQUIDDLY

    I think they can see each other however they want maybe. Earlier in the film we see them young holding hands and later the same sequence as old.

  • July 17, 2010 6:27 PM CST

    gibson

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    that was Mal's memory of how it happened...but she had been incepted by Cobb so her version is faulty

  • July 17, 2010 6:32 PM CST

    Bravo, Mr. Nolan

    by Maynard G. Krebs

    That's all I have to say about it.

  • July 17, 2010 7:12 PM CST

    Re: Sportello

    by SK229

    You're not totally alone, as although I like how Nolan directs, I don't understand how people can compare him to Spielberg, Mann, Scorsese, or Kubrick. I think he's amazingly talented but has yet to make something that I think is as good as Jaws, Star Wars, The Godfather, Clockwork Orange, and DEFINITELY not as good as Scorsese's best. Even Mann is a better director... I think 'The Insider' kicks the shit out of all Nolan's movies. People can seriously tell me that they'd rather watch anything Nolan has done rather than Jaws? Or Close Encounters? Alien? I'll probably get flamed, but I think he gets in his own way trying to make these labyrinthine plots that fold in on themselves and sacrifice character and emotion to get all the parts working right. It's kind of like M. Night with plot twists, except Nolan is better at making pretty pictures and is more consistently good... I think he's just short of great so far and The Prestige, when I go back and watch it again (I loved it when it first came out) kind of bores me now... although it's shot amazingly well. The Dark Knight and Following are probably the closest he's come to making a true classic... and I can ALMOST say TDK might be a classic, but shit there is some clunky dialogue in that movie.

    But really, Nolan is becoming legendary? Jesus Christ, his fans might be his worst enemies... I don't think he's made a film as good as my other favorite director's bests... you'd seriously put any of his work up against Jaws (which I think is one of the greatest movies ever made) or Dr. Strangelove or Apocalypse Now? He's a very good director with moments of greatness, but I don't truly feel he's shown that greatness in an entire movie that I'd put up there with the best of the best yet.

    I'll leave you with Duncan Jones tweet about 'Inception' (a little professional jealousy perhaps? He also tweeted some shit about District 9 afterwards, so take it with a grain of salt - "Wondering about Inception. In all MY dreams, my teeth are falling out and I discover I have a vagina. None of that in the film. Curious."

  • July 17, 2010 7:38 PM CST

    Indifferent

    by Hatemachine76

    Saw this movie today and it vaguely ended as I thought it would...not that it takes away from the 4 levelish deep mindfuck. Ellen Page is from my province aka Trailer Park Boys alumni booyaa. It did feel a bit like a Shutter Island/Dark City hybrid. This movie would not have benefited from 3d at all save for a certain elevator scene. I wanted to love it move but my fucking Empire Movie Theatre was out of nacho's with jalapeno's and cheese...grrrrr

  • July 17, 2010 7:41 PM CST

    by the by

    by Hatemachine76

    loved me the repeated 'inside the van' shots

  • July 17, 2010 8:08 PM CST

    you know the ending is good...

    by palooka_boy

    when everybody in the theater simultaneously goes "AWWWW!!!!"

  • July 17, 2010 8:21 PM CST

    Sountrack

    by somdawg

    Just saw Inception and all I'm willing to say until I've really had time to collect my thoughts is just how much I was impressed by the soundtrack. Absolutely STUNNING! The suspense scences had me rocking in my seat. Totally impressive,as was most of this film. It inspired my first talkback. Must see again!

  • July 17, 2010 8:39 PM CST

    TO THE KOOL-AID DRINKERS:

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    St. Louis Post-Dispatch Joe Williams Christopher Nolan's "Memento" was a movie-lover's dream come true, a puzzle that was engaging both intellectually and emotionally. But his Inception is a wake-up call, a blaring reminder that cheap tricks can't compensate for personal investment.

    Philadelphia Inquirer Steven Rea Stymied by a clunking script, crammed with expository exchanges and urgent blather.

    The New York Times A.O. Scott Though there is a lot to see in Inception, there is nothing that counts as genuine vision. Mr. Nolan’s idea of the mind is too literal, too logical, too rule-bound to allow the full measure of madness -- the risk of real confusion, of delirium, of ineffable ambiguity -- that this subject requires.

    Chicago Reader J.R. Jones Inception delivers dazzling special effects and a boatload of stars, but it sags and eventually buckles under the weight of its complicated premise.

    Salon.com Andrew O'Hehir Nolan establishes a fascinating world, loaded with trapdoors, symbols and hidden secrets, and then squanders the opportunity on an overpriced "Twilight Zone" episode.

    New York Magazine David Edelstein Inception manages to be clunky and confusing on four separate levels of reality.

    Village Voice Nick Pinkerton It's obvious that Nolan either can't articulate or doesn't believe in a distinction between living feelings and dreams--and his barren Inception doesn't capture much of either.

    Movieline Stephanie Zacharek Everything he (Nolan) does is forced and overthought, and Inception, far from being his ticket into hall-of-fame greatness, is a very expensive-looking, elephantine film whose myriad so-called complexities -- of both the emotional and intellectual sort -- add up to a kind of ADD tedium.

    New York Observer Rex Reed I'd like to tell you just how bad Inception really is, but since it is barely even remotely lucid, no sane description is possible.

  • July 17, 2010 9:02 PM CST

    Like Sportello, I agree that Inception is overrated

    by Voyageur

    Sportello raises the questions that EVERYONE should be asking... and I agree with nearly everything he says. More to to the point, however, Christopher Nolan managed to create what I thought was sort of impossible: a boring dream movie. A far better dream movie, in my opinion (despite its flaws in casting), was Tarsem's "The Cell. "Inception" had to be the most boring, rigid, non-surreal and rule-based movie about dream states I've ever seen. Let me give a partial list of the reasons I did not like "Inception." (and the reasons keep on coming, I assure you...) 1) Dreams are replete with Freudian sexual fantasies, which are curiously absent from "Inception." Why? Sexual fantasies (perverse and routine) drift into the fabric of dreams unannounced all the time, but there's no sign of them. That means Nolan is either a coward (as far as the rating system is concerned) or lacks vision, or perhaps both. Neither are excusable. 2) Where are the constantly-shifting, fluid dynamics of the surreal dream state? Nonsensical language, tumultuous geography... Nolan's idea of dream psychology is about as interesting as humdrum reality. Some might respond by saying that it's written that way, in that he has characters saying that the geography and architecture can't be TOO out of sort otherwise the target's subconscious mind will be alerted... I'm going to call bullshit there for two reasons. The first is that it seemed to me a cop-out for Nolan's lack of vision. He knew he couldn't get close enough to the true surreality of dreams, so that the overbearing structuralism of his script allowed him an easy way out of that, which everyone bought into hook, line and sinker. The second reason is this: the subconscious mind not only occasionally understands the artifice of the dream (lucid dreaming), but goes with it because it's fun (which leads me to my third point). 3) The film just isn't fun. It's boring. Dreams are anything but boring, but Nolan managed to make his version of it all exactly that. Why aren't people calling him on it? 4) The heist aspect seems completely tacked on and cliche, only there to make it palatable to the masses. 5) Too much exposition. I understood every bit of the exposition, as detailed through the audience surrogate (Ariadne), but it was all so bloody tedious and boring. Again, how the hell do you make a movie about dreams boring?!!! Rules and exposition. 6) How convenient is it that there characters like a dream architect, a chemist, an impostor, and so forth? Give me a break. Even if the entire movie is a dream (or whatever your interpretation is), you have to agree that their inclusion was purely a mechanism for your average heist movie, and thus boring and cliche. Just because these character types are transposed into a movie about dreams doesn't make it any less cliched and boring. Let me wrap this up in the most convenient way possible: If I have to choose between Christopher Nolan's conception of the dream state--what with all its rigid form and rules--and my own dreams, and the dreams of others that I've heard, I will go with MY dreams and those of others any day of the week and twice on Sunday. There is more evidence of the surreal in five minutes of my dream time than there is in the two and a half hours of Nolan's "Inception." I assume the same to be true of others' dreams... Look at Dante's "Divine Comedy" or "The Book of Revelation" or any of William S. Burroughs material. Read Comte de Lautreamont's "Maldoror," which could have only been written by an unrestrained dreamer, or James Joyce's "Ulysses" and "Finnegan's Wake". Aye... those are monuments to the dream.

  • July 17, 2010 9:11 PM CST

    Why is nobody comparing this movie to...

    by mooseaka

    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

    I loved Inception, but it borrowed so heavily, both in concept and in visual elements from Eternal Sunshine, that I'm amazed that it hasn't been mentioned in over 1000 combined talkback posts between Capone and Massaworm's reviews. Sure, there was a difference between memories and dreams, but the line was certainly blurred enough in both movies.

    Great flick,. but still, Nolan owes Michael Gondry a phone call and a nice bottle of wine.

  • July 17, 2010 9:15 PM CST

    Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind, yes!

    by Voyageur

    Mooseaka... You're right. I was thinking that the entire time I was watching "Inception." Nolan owes a huge debt to Kaufman and Gondry. Also, though the movie is not explicitly a movie of dreams, I would offer up Kaufman's "Synechdoche, New York" as conceptually superior.

  • July 17, 2010 9:16 PM CST

    Dark City, anyone?

    by Voyageur

    I would say "Dark City" is conceptually and visually superior to "Inception."

  • July 17, 2010 9:17 PM CST

    Things you can't do in a dream...lucid or otherwise..

    by zinc_chameleon

    You can't taste anything, or smell anything. Why? Because the REM state engages only the right hemisphere devoted to vision and hearing. Yes, you can watch yourself drink a glass of wine, but you can't smell the boquet, because the ancient olfactory lobe doesn't activate during dreams.

  • July 17, 2010 9:26 PM CST

    Inception = Vanilla Sky 2

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • July 17, 2010 9:40 PM CST

    The Cell was a good movie?

    by antonphd

    um. ok.

  • July 17, 2010 9:54 PM CST

    SPOILER

    by antonphd

    i think the whole entire thing is a dream. everything. his wife dying is even a dream. everyone in the dream that is of any consequence are cobb. they even look like him. that was one thing i started noticing from the trailers and i wondered if that meant anything. when i saw the movie i noticed that they not only looked like variations of him but they all kind of acted like him. like shades of his personality. especially his father. i think the whole thing is cobb just processing life through his dreams. he's just got a really cool imagination cause he's been taught psychology or something. i'd be willing to bet that this is what Nolan is doing with this film.

  • July 17, 2010 9:55 PM CST

    It seemed like Ten years to us ..

    by the_raftaman

    Trying to make it to the end of the movie. Wish I could get that 2+ hours back. If not for the special effects, and the on location shots .. their wouldnt have been a movie because the story was severely lacking. I'd skip it if you haven't seen it.

  • July 17, 2010 10:05 PM CST

    no-experience, normal dude review of Inception.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Finally a movie that hits the homerun. After Iron Man 2, Toy Story 3, and Predators all feeling like they were missing something (Though TS3 was great), this movie finally knocks it out of the park. Notice how it is not a sequel.
    First, it is believed that Leo ends up in reality. The main mission was, as stated, to install an idea in that rich son's head, and they were successful. Otherwise, why would they have that scene (which is missing Leo) with the rich son sitting by the water deciding he will go off on his own? At this point Leo is still underwater (guess you dont have to breath in a dream if your unconscious inside that dream). The other members woke up before Leo and it was basically mission complete.
    However, there are some criticisms.

    1. CHOPPY ACTION.
    This was Batman all over again. Leo running through the streets...the battle at the snow base...the action was distractingly choppy and annoying. The movie moves along methodically, and its perfect until it's time to pick up the pace....then it's like %$^&#$%#@! It's difficult to look forward to the action scenes when they are like this.
    This movie is like that white van. It usually rolls along fine and efficiently, but when it's time to step on it...it's not pretty.

    2. UNCREATIVE DREAMS.
    As some have already stated in this TB, the dreams were not imaginative. This is where anything can happen...where a lucid dreamer can decide to do whatever he wants. Instead, the only differences presented are when the girl "folds" the landscape, and the whole gravity thing. You'd think a dream could be more spectacular than that.
    Before the movie came out, the joke was made (in this tb probably) on how this movie could possibly be rated PG13, as there should be naked women everywhere lol. But it's true right? The audience does not visit a single character's fantasy in this movie.

    3. TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
    This movie is jammed packed with things that one almost has to watch it a second time to clarify questions from the first time. But instead, how about discussing it here? :)

    Okay, so there are four dream layers in the main mission.
    Layer 1: The kidnapping/white van.
    Layer 2: The hotel.
    Layer 3: The snow base thing.
    Layer 4: Leo's constructed universe (limbo?)

    QUESTION #1: Generally speaking, if someone kills himself in a dream (Layer 1) he wakes up, right? However, for the primary mission, the sedative they use is so strong, that instead of waking up, he would get sent to limbo (Layer 4/equivalent) right?

    QUESTION #2: So then, how do you get out of limbo? You kill yourself? So killing yourself doesnt work in Layer 1, it sends you to limbo, but then killing yourself again in limbo wakes you up? Huh?

    QUESTION #3: How is a dream within a dream created? How did they bring the sleep equipment (the metal case) into Layer 1? Then again into Layer 2? Does the architect simply imagine it to be there? What if, in Layer 2, a character simply refuses to believe it exists? Would it still involuntarily put that character to sleep to go to Layer 3?

    QUESTION #4: How did Leo and his wife end up in limbo? Leo did it on purpose, using a strong sedative right? Why couldn't they get out? Why not just kill themselves in the dream immediately, or does that work (goes back to question #2)? They eventually woke themselves getting hit by a train right?

    QUESTION #5: Why couldn't Leo just go back into his wife's dream and take out that idea somehow? Or plant a new one? He did it once...do it again.

    Bottom line, Leo WILL wait up in that airplane eventually, whether it felt like a short nap or an eternity. Saito was a cool guy...after living a lifetime, waking up in the airplane and immediately remembering to make the telephone call. :)

  • July 17, 2010 10:21 PM CST

    ONLY ONE THING COULD IMPROVE THAT ENDING

    by BringingSexyBack

    Leo dressed as The Riddler.

  • July 17, 2010 10:22 PM CST

    DOES NOLAN HAVE A HARD-ON FOR CILLIAN MURPHY OR WHAT

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 17, 2010 10:22 PM CST

    Gibson I can help you out with number 2...

    by odo19

    ...I think. When you go into limbo you forget that you are dreaming and are just supposed to stay there until you die of old age at which point that persons brain turns to "scrambled eggs". This is why Saito is old by the time Cobb drowns in the van and arrives in limbo. Cobb and Mal went to limbo and it took him 50 dream years to figure it out. He tried to tell Mal but she wouldn't accept it so he incepted her....etc.

    Someone else may be able to help you out with the other stuff. I'm afraid I'm out of my element.

  • July 17, 2010 10:24 PM CST

    BSB I actually thought Cillian gave...

    by odo19

    the best performance in the whole film. The only time I felt genuine emotion during the film was when he opened his vault.

  • July 17, 2010 10:25 PM CST

    Came away so very impressed

    by Kammich

    I am one of the minority who was kind of underwhelmed by Nolan's resume prior to "Inception," but I still had high expectations for this movie. and it exceeded all of them. the script is relentless, inventive, and yet still coherent and fluid from beginning to end. its extremely well cast and the actors really play well off of each other, especially Leo's Cobb to Cotillard's Mal, and Leavitt's Arthur to Hardy's Eaves. Nolan's jump-cut editing in the action scenes is still a little bit too prevalent, but the scale and execution of the action is better than anything Nolan has done to this point. the emotional elements connect a lot more than what I expected from Nolan's sometimes cold and calculated character arcs. especially Cillian Murphy's character and his relationship to his father, which I thought was a huge strength to the movie. the score is mesmerizing. Tom Hardy fucking KILLS it. it's one of the best "men on a mission" movies that I've ever seen. the ending is enticing but still completely satisfying. Pfister's photography consumes you... what else is there to say? I feel like Nolan finally hit one completely out of the park, and I haven't been this eager to re-watch a movie in quite some time. thumbs fucking up.

  • July 17, 2010 10:27 PM CST

    OH I'M NOT SAYING HE WAS BAD - QUITE THE CONTRARY

    by BringingSexyBack

    He did far better here than in BB and TDK. I agree with you, I think his dream scene with his father was done very well, to the point that I thought it may've been cruel to incept that lie into his mind.

  • July 17, 2010 10:39 PM CST

    That was To Berenger?

    by funkylovemonkey

    Holy crap, I went the whole movie not realizing that. Just saw it, and I have to say I loved every moment, which isn't something I can say about any other movie I've seen this year. Haven't read anything in this talkback that changes my mind on the subject. Simply amazing and with far more heart then most give it credit for. I wasn't bothered at all about the lack of surrealness. For one I would say that most of my dreams aren't surreal, they're real in the moment, and it's essential for what Nolan was doing that you wouldn't be able to easily distinguish reality from the dream.

  • July 17, 2010 10:39 PM CST

    or even Tom Berenger...

    by funkylovemonkey

  • July 17, 2010 11:00 PM CST

    Also the company that Cobb works for...

    by odo19

    in the beginning is called Cobol. Is that a combination of Cobb and Mal or am I reading too far into this? If that's intentional wouldn't that mean the entire film is a dream?

  • July 17, 2010 11:14 PM CST

    Teeth falling out should've been used in the movie

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    A very common dream scenario, I was wondering if shit like that would turn up in the movie. I would love a sequel (maybe a mission to rescue Cobb and Saito from limbo?) that takes the ideas and world established in INCEPTION and runs with it: surreal, shifting dreamscapes, people flying, teeth falling out, Freudian sexual fantasies, Jungian archetypes, the whole nine yards.

  • July 17, 2010 11:16 PM CST

    Ellen Page was out acted by everyone here

    by daniel_larussos_gonna_fight

    She almost ruined the film for me...She couldn't act her way outta a Spanish Soap

  • July 17, 2010 11:21 PM CST

    Funkylovemonkey... the matter of dreams and surrealism

    by Voyageur

    The surreality of dreams doesn't mean the dream has to be like Breton, Dali or Magritte's conception of the dream state... What I'm talking about (and what Sportello seems to be driving it) is that Nolan's conception is too much artifice, too rigid, too contained and not fluid enough for it to capture the essence of dreams. As I said, most of us don't know that we're dreaming until we reach the state of lucid dreaming. But, when you wake, you realize the very nature of the dream was absolutely surreal. I think that Nolan didn't have enough vision and was probably relieved when he hit on the idea of all the mechanisms (rules and such) that govern his dream world. Dreams don't have rules. It seems to me that making the movie's dream states resemble reality was simply convenient for him because he couldn't replicated the truly dynamic dream world we all know. My evidence for this is based on the characters own dialogue when they say the dream world can't be too warped or the subconscious is alerted and the dream collapses. This is utter nonsense. In dreams, things are warped ALL the time, even in the most straightforward of dreams; and the dreamer isn't alerted unless he or she goes lucid. Even then the dreamer proceeds! Dreams are full of dozens of pivot points on which the dreamer rotates into a new environment, persona, and so forth. "Inception" is far too controlled to be a dream... Yes, yes, the architects are imagining the environments, but even that is no match for any dreaming person's totally unpredictable dream life. Even if one could build the environment for the dreamer, one could not predict or control the pivot points or the completely random shifts that occur!!! Under this sort of scrutiny, Nolan's story collapses (to borrow the phrase from his movie), because there... is... simply... no... way... of... controlling all of the potentialities of a dream.

  • July 17, 2010 11:37 PM CST

    I don't expect everyone to agree...

    by Voyageur

    My above posts only attempt to explain to others why I wasn't impressed with the movie. I had high hopes, and it sort of fell flat for me. I just think works of fiction like Gravity's Rainbow, V., The Divine Comedy, Hebdemeros, Maldoror, anything by Borges (like "The Secret Miracle") and Ulysses do a better job of exploring the subconscious mind. At least Nolan attempted something different than the average summer blockbuster, and maybe something positive will come of it: the corporations who own Hollywood will allow some more original storytelling in popular cinema.

  • July 17, 2010 11:45 PM CST

    I disagree Voyageur

    by jimmy_009

    While the kneejerk reaction in filming dreams is to have crazy shit going on, I think Nolan did one better in this one. Dreams DO have a certain set of rules, or maybe more appropriate: commonalities, that I think Nolan nailed better than anyone before him. Like I said most movies focus on the strange imagery but Nolan has clearly actually THOUGHT about what happens in dreams. The shifting from one place to another, the idea that you are constantly in the 'now' in a dream, with no concept of how you arrived at that point. And you are forgetting that they are inside the dreams of the conmen, not the target. The conmen ARE capable of thinking lucidly within the dream. They are unique with this talent and that's why they do what they do. They are 100% aware of what they are doing at all times and have likely trained to do it many times over to reduce any strangeness like flying monkeys and what not. I'm glad someone did a different take on dreams. To me this is the opposite of the dreams of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and yet they both capture different truths about dreams and memories from different vantage points.

  • July 17, 2010 11:47 PM CST

    The very fact that people are discussing this...

    by jimmy_009

    ...in terms of Kubrik and Borges is fantastic. This is the kind of movie that will be discussed for years to come and a consensus may take even longer to be reached, if it ever is. To me that's a triumph already. I get that there's a reactionary group that's lashing out at the automatic "Nolan is a God" type of fanboys, but I think time will show this movie stands up to the greats. It certainly had me smiling the entire way through.

  • July 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST

    BSB

    by CherryValance

    You made me picture Leo dressed as the Riddler scaring the crap out of those kids. LOL

  • July 17, 2010 11:55 PM CST

    See "Dreamscape" Instead

    by Media Messiah

    Dreamscape is brilliant! It is about a psychic who is using his gifts to gamble and live under the radar. He is brought into a government program along with another man, who is secretly a crazy--and forced to participate in a program where they must enter people's dreams. Our hero, played by Dennis Quaid, learns that those who are running the program, wish to use it to assassinate the unsuspecting president. He, our hero, must enter the president's dreams and stop the conspiracy, before it is too late. The film doesn't have a big budget, but its brilliance is in the story, it has a purpose...and a voice, where Inception does not, beyond being a high-tech heist film.

  • July 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST

    Voyageur: Inception Rips-Off Dark City And Dreamscape

    by Media Messiah

    It is just a shame that no one, save for you and me, is calling Nolan on his obvious theft of those far superior films?

  • July 18, 2010 12:04 AM CST

    LMAO @ Media Messiah

    by jimmy_009

    Troll anyone? Keep sulking. People love it, critics love it. Suck on it.

  • July 18, 2010 12:08 AM CST

    Jimmy_009: I'm A Truth Teller...Not A Troll

    by Media Messiah

    The critics are bought and paid for.

  • July 18, 2010 12:20 AM CST

    Jimmy_009... read my post again

    by Voyageur

    I anticipated the response from others that you just deployed: that its the conmen's dreams in which the target is placed. Yes. Yes it is. But, what I went on to say in both of the posts above (read the last few sentences of the 2nd post) is that even in a conmen-created dream world, the conmen wouldn't be able to predict all of the potentialities of the dreamer's shifts in geography, perception, and forth. Dreaming is too chaotic and unpredictable. Nolan probably knew this and tried to contain it, or more probably, misdirect the viewer's attention (like a good magician always does), with all of the rules that populate his dream world. As such--and in a twist of irony--I would call Nolan the conman... Yes, it IS great that we're invoking Kubrick, and that I brought up Borges and others; but, I don't think Nolan's film approaches any of them in terms of artistry. I would argue that Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" is a superior exploration of a man's dream state. Very Jungian. Very surrealist. Highly underrated and based on the work of a highly talented writer, Arthur Schnitzler. Schnitzler's novel was called "Traumnovelle," which is German for "Dream Story."

  • July 18, 2010 12:22 AM CST

    Dark City vs. Inception

    by Voyageur

    Dark City is the superior film in all respects: screenplay, direction, acting, score, cinematography, mis-en-scene.

  • July 18, 2010 12:30 AM CST

    They are aiming for two totally different things Voyageur

    by jimmy_009

    Look, I love most Kubrick films, but Inception is approached as entertainment first and foremost. How many Kubrick films can say that? It's a completely different animal. I don't think we're supposed to get some "deep meaning" out of this movie. We've seen dozens of movies that tread that same tired old path. He isn't trying to invoke Jung, he's quite clearly laying out his own rules. This is first and foremost a heist flick that creates it's own rules and explores and exploits those rules for entertainment. Where in this movie does anyone think that Nolan is trying to 'understand' or 'explain' dreams? That may be Kubrick's aim, but it isn't Nolans. His is to exploit the shit of out rules he sets up, and he's a master at it. When I think of the comparison of Kubrick and Nolan it's because they are both chessmasters moving each piece with precision and intention, staying two steps ahead of the viewer. But that doesn't mean they are saying the same things, or even should be.

  • July 18, 2010 12:31 AM CST

    I don't see the Dark City comparison

    by MattmanReturns

    Voyageur, the "screenplay, direction, acting, score, cinematography" in Inception were NOTHING like Dark City's. You're really reaching on that one. Two completely different films. The only thing they have in common are shifting buildings and questioning of reality (which isn't a theme that was birthed by Dark City). People were also saying The Matrix ripped off Dark City. Well keep in mind, Dark City was inspired by many other things as well (several episodes of Twilight Zone being prime examples). Everything is inspired or borrows from something else. It's all about rearranging existing stories and telling them in new, interesting ways.

  • July 18, 2010 12:32 AM CST

    Dark City is shit

    by jimmy_009

    It blows it's wad in the first viewing and is unwatchable afterwards. I loved that movie the first time through, but hated it upon the second. It has all the depth and layers of an M. Night movie. One of the later ones. Garbage.

  • July 18, 2010 12:39 AM CST

    "The critics are bought and paid for. "

    by jimmy_009

    Yeah that makes sense. Fucking troll.

  • July 18, 2010 1:00 AM CST

    "Dark City" Was Good Enough For "The Matrix" To Rip-Off...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and now, for Inception...to rip-off--so Chris Nolan and the Wachowski Siblings, respectively, must think very highly of Dark City!!!

  • July 18, 2010 1:13 AM CST

    MattmanReturns: You Don't See The Comparison?

    by Media Messiah

    Inception and Dark City both feature cityscapes that can morph and change...at a thinker's will. In fact, everything can morph and change at the will of anyone who is aware that their environment can be manipulated...with thought. Sounds like the same damn concepts to me? Add in Dreamscape to the mix of Dark City, and a few well placed gun battles, and floating fist fights from The Matrix, the film noir look from The 13th Floor, and lastly, the trippy art meets the mind bending unreality of The Cell, and you have, Inception. Face it, this movie is one big rip-off of other films, all of which have better endings than Inception.

  • July 18, 2010 1:18 AM CST

    MattMan Returns !!!!!

    by ShavedLeatherPig

    Your comments are very passive-aggressive and reek of pent-up testosterone trapped within layers of intellectual anxiety !!! . .. I know a 54 year old retired high school football coach who enjoys wearing full-body leather SWAT-team uniforms with a long cuban cigar hanging ever so gently from his pursed clint-eastwood lips.. ... would you like to be the "boi" who lights his spliff ????

  • July 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST

    In short; Very Good but conceit is flawed

    by ToMonicker

    Will catch up on others opinions in a bit...

    This is a VERY good movie, entertaining as hell, but I think it will confuse people easily, and the dream world does not jive well with my personal experience with dreams, even the lucid ones.

    It's like a marvelous puzzle that you have to accept its rules on merit or it won't work for you.

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  • July 18, 2010 2:03 AM CST

    So I appreciate

    by funkylovemonkey

    that I might be completely off basis here, but I've been thinking about this since I left the theater. Was anyone else troubled by the how dreamlike "reality" was? Especially the chase scene where Leo jumps over a car as it crashes into a wall and where the streets narrow to a point where he almost can't fit through? The ambiguous corporate men hunting him were also strangely like the mental security later on in the dream. That coupled with the fact that Leo's totem isn't private, he took it from his wife. I honestly thought that at the end of the movie you would find out that Leo was the one being conned, but then I dismissed it as soon as we got to the end. Except now, the more I look at the big picture, I'm not sure. Were those were put in there to be red herrings?

  • July 18, 2010 2:05 AM CST

    The decision making process is DIFFERENT in dreams.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Havent you ever done things in a non-lucid dream, then woke up and thought to yourself that you would NEVER make those decisions for real?

    Logic and rationality are sometimes twisted in dreams...you make these weird decisions you wouldn't when awake. For example, all of you have probably had dreams where you were really mean to someone, and after you woke up felt a bit guilty about it (even though its just a dream). You'd never do it for real.

    Yet when the characters in this movie enter the dream world, they are completely normal and just as level headed as they are awake. Arthur develops this clever plan in the hotel to "kick" his team without gravity.
    People don't think that clearly and cleverly in dreams! Its more of a blur and everything is more weird and illogical.

    This just just being picky, but just a thought. :)

  • July 18, 2010 2:07 AM CST

    Did you guys know they're selling the tops?

    by RPLocke

    Like you can buy one!

  • July 18, 2010 3:03 AM CST

    MAJOR SPOILERS - Perhaps the top does drop

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    In this video of audience reaction to the end of the movie there is a sound right after the screen goes black that could be the totem falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=PkBYfNWajUU

  • July 18, 2010 3:13 AM CST

    WATCHED THAT SHIT TWICE

    by JeanGrey_X23_lesboSex

    not me, but the couple next to me, had just seen it and brought yet another pair of 30 dollar archlight tickets just so the guy could watch the seen between Michael Cane and Leo. After it ended they walked out, like told you so. Have no idea what it meant until the end

  • July 18, 2010 3:21 AM CST

    Kind of want to see this but, but can't stand DiCaprio

    by ryderdvs

    This man-child ruins every movie for me. How much brow-furrowing, and unconvincingly trying to seem like a bad-ass does he do in this film?

  • July 18, 2010 3:44 AM CST

    One thing's for sure

    by funkylovemonkey

    If you fall in love with DiCaprio, you will die.

  • July 18, 2010 4:09 AM CST

    This would've made a great movie for Tom Cruise.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Maybe because of all the flying around and searching-for-loved-one stuff he did in Minority Report...but its easy to imagine him as Cobb.

  • July 18, 2010 5:14 AM CST

    @Voyageur

    by 5onthe5

    The exact points you make about dreams not having any rules, is why dreams make for terrible movie scenes 99/100 times. Other people's dreams are actually pretty tedious to sit through, and they are device for incredibly lazy exposition and character "development". So if I liked anything about Inception, it was that the dream sequences were actually fairly watchable, not terrible.

  • July 18, 2010 8:29 AM CST

    dreams

    by SQUIDDLY

    To people who say the dreams were bland. How would you convince someone it isnt a dream when weird shit is happening? Also about cobbs wife, you can extract memories but they still stay with the host and as for planting another idea cobb says an idea is like a virus too rooted to change and taking over the conscious mind which maybe is impossible to forget.

  • July 18, 2010 8:38 AM CST

    superman 2 is on the tv right now

    by JackGraham

    the best of all superman films. my gf has just asked me how clark is able to turn into superman by simply running down the alley, how did his clothes just come off and he doesnt wear the suit under his work clothes and he's not a magician so ow does he do this feat" ... i dunno. its superman.

  • July 18, 2010 8:40 AM CST

    look you're being released get moving ...

    by JackGraham

    says one terrorist ... and then he says ill take one last look around and we see him spend 2 secs looking down, haha always loved that he seemed rather unproffesional.

  • July 18, 2010 9:15 AM CST

    not all dreams are strange

    by Jared

    Some dreams make sense or adhere to real world physics or scenarios. The fact that the dreams in "Inception" don't have a lot of Freudian or Jungian elements doesn't bother me because some dreams don't.

  • July 18, 2010 9:25 AM CST

    so this is planet huston.

    by JackGraham

  • July 18, 2010 9:29 AM CST

    Media Messiah

    by jimmy_009

    You dummy. You really think Dark City was the first movie about dreams? WTF. Dark City had it's inspirations just as much Inception did. Quit being such a paranoid troll.

  • July 18, 2010 9:56 AM CST

    Inception isn't about dreams

    by rbatty024

    If you take Inception as a dream movie, then it completely falls on its face. Nolan knows nothing about dreams, and if he really wanted to make a film about dreams then he should have watched some Lynch of Bunuel.

    Inception is more of a cyberpunk film in the vein of The Matrix. If you approach it from this angle, then it's not a bad little Summer movie.

  • July 18, 2010 10:05 AM CST

    a clown shouldve walked across the street

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    something simple like that would've enhanced the dreams...plus its possible to see a clown in "reality"

  • July 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST

    Everybody knows Supes costumes is beamed on him

    by The Founder

    From the Fortress, jeez

  • July 18, 2010 11:57 AM CST

    Eternal Sunshine - Best dream/memory scenes ever...

    by SK229

    I feel that that movie hit on some deep levels regarding love lost, memories, and how we experience dreams... the emotions that a dream can stir up YEARS after we thought we stopped caring about something or someone else... that scene in the house where he says, "I wish I'd stayed" is skull crushing if you've ever seriously fucked up something with a person you were in love with. Just that melancholy and sadness of not being able to be the best person and realizing it too late. Not to mention the way the house is being washed away and the use of the flashlight-effect to illuminate important parts of the scene... I think that got as close to memory and dreams as I've ever seen. Then that scene where he's in the back seat of the car and can see his memories with her outside the window... just heartbreaking.

  • July 18, 2010 12:58 PM CST

    Inception = Vanilla Sky 2 1/2

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • July 18, 2010 1:08 PM CST

    I bought and i'm listening to INCEPTION's OST CD

    by AsimovLives

    And i kinda hate to say this, because it's composed by Hans Zimme,r but it's in fact brillant. It's a brillant score. Reminds me of a certainy type of electronica music that would be done in the late 70s or early to mid 80s. There's touches of Vangelis, but overall the score sound slike as if Depeche Mode had com+posed a film score. Really good stuff. Most of the time, i really dislike Hans Zimmer music stuff, but occasionally the man really really suprises. It was with THE THIN RED LINE score, now it's INCEPTION. Well, if for nothing else, the movie is worth a really good electronica music album.

  • July 18, 2010 1:10 PM CST

    And no, i haven't seen the movie yet

    by AsimovLives

    Only released here on July 22th. But really, with a score like this, there's no way the movie is nothing but at least pretty good. Some scores don't lie.

  • July 18, 2010 1:15 PM CST

    PRESIDENT BALTAR

    by AsimovLives

    If any one of those reviewers that you quoted from liked and syupported Jar Jar Abram's SHIT TREK, then their opinion about intelligent cinema is automatically invalidaded. Automatically and immedialtly invalidaded. As for personal investement, everytime i see that shit brough in by people who make a lot of fuzz about it, it all reads as just one thing: lovers of soap opera melodramatics bullshit. Some people can't understand deep emotions and mistake them for melodramatic crap. But truly, all this resumes to this: anybody who supported and defended and loved Jar Jar Abram's SHIT TREK, their opinion, if negative, about intelligent cinema is disqualified, because it's not their game.

  • July 18, 2010 1:20 PM CST

    Media Messiah

    by MattmanReturns

    While I agree it has elements from other movies (show me a movie that doesn't), I think it presented everything in a very original way. As for the look of the film... I felt it looked exactly like a Christopher Nolan film (which is a good or bad thing depending on whether or not you like Nolan). I don't feel the look was ripped off from any other... it was very much a Nolan film. And that hallway fight, while certainly Matrix inspired, was one of the best fight sequences I've seen. And I loved the dream-within-a-dream stuff, especially the slowing of time. Very creative, imo.

  • July 18, 2010 1:20 PM CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    You think that stories about perceptions of reality and illusions operating as reality started with DARK CITY? You think that's the begining of all it? Wrong, man! You cna make a story about perceptions of rality and dreamworlds and you can quote stories which date far back then DARK CITY released in 1998. You cna trace that back as far as Plato's The Cave Allegory, and that is just by remembering the stuff you learned at school. and by th way, Nolan has good nice things to say about Dark City and he did indeed talked about that movie to say in what genre his new movie belongs. That among many others. Deal with it. There's nothing you can attack Nolan for that he hasn 't already pre-emptied in interviews and pre-releases. Really, if you are after abad filmmaker whose only posistion in the A-list is due purely on marketing and not taletn, it's not Nolan you should lok for, but Jar Jar Abrams The Used Cars Salesman. You are barking at the wrong tree.

  • July 18, 2010 1:22 PM CST

    ShavedLeatherPig

    by MattmanReturns

    I dunno wtf you just said, little kid... but you touched a brother's heart.

  • July 18, 2010 1:27 PM CST

    Dark City was a gothic/noirish Twilight Zone

    by MattmanReturns

    It wasn't some new idea. It just presented things in a creative way, which is why we love it. As for Thirteenth Floor... it didn't influence shit, as very few people saw it. I'm not even sure it qualifies as a cult film.

  • July 18, 2010 1:30 PM CST

    One thing i'm loving about the score is...

    by AsimovLives

    ... that not many tracks are exactly action movie stuff, very few are the usual fast paced action movie score. In pace, it reminds me of the score of GHOST IN THE SHELL, a movie which, for it's action scenes, the music is quite calm, almost zen-like. Really, i'm loving this score. My new favorite electronica album. I haven't bought a film score for two years already, i'm absolutly not regreating buying this one at all. Kick ass!

  • July 18, 2010 1:32 PM CST

    just watched valhalla rising asimov ...

    by JackGraham

    i liked it, apart from chapter 3, set almost entirely on the boat, thought that part was very boring, loved the character of one eye, loved the brutal fights, the cold bleakness of it all, made The Road look like the wizard of oz.

  • July 18, 2010 1:33 PM CST

    JackGraham

    by AsimovLives

    Hey mate, how you doing? Long time no see ya around here. Remember me talking about Valhalla Rising? Did you know that half of the movie was shot in the shores of Loch Ness? I know you hate living in your neck of the hood, but by going by the movie, your place is unbelievably gorgeaus scenery looking. Wow!!

  • July 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST

    Hans Zimmer

    by MattmanReturns

    That dude has really upped his game in the last five years. His Inception score perfectly compliments the film (the kind of music you feel rather than hear). His character themes are also perfectly fitting for each (Jack Sparrow, Sherlock Holmes, and Batman). The "At World's End" score is one of my all-time favorites.

  • July 18, 2010 1:34 PM CST

    was hoping one eye would take em all out at the end tho

    by JackGraham

  • July 18, 2010 1:36 PM CST

    JackGraham

    by AsimovLives

    One Eye is the baddest badass i have seen for a long time in the movies. Fucker gives Conan a run for his money. The new Conan will look like a pussy compared to him. Already does. As for Part 3 (Men Of God),i know what you mean, but i think the slowness of the sequence is important for the story. It reminds me of those parts in Apocalypse Now when nothing happens and yet it all builds to the dread of things to come futher in the story, you know what i mean?

  • July 18, 2010 1:40 PM CST

    JackGraham

    by AsimovLives

    The original idea was for One Eye to have a last stand fight with the indians in the end. But they changed it for a scene of sacrifice. The audio comentary makes clear the idea beyind it, but basically, One Eye goes from a personificatiojn of the pagan war gods into a real personification of Jesus, complete abnegation for the sake of saving a life, the only person he knew who offer actual compassion. Notice one thing, for example: The viking god Odin was one-eyed as well, who lost a eyea nd suffered torture and deprivations and lost one eye to gain total wisdom. And notice the last shot of the movie is One-Eye superimposed on a tall mountain in the middle of clouds. What does that tell? Food for thoughs, man, food for thoughs.

  • July 18, 2010 1:46 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    When i was absolutly fed up with Zimmer, the dude composed THE THIN RED LINE, which is, absolutly, one of the top best score i have knew. The dude gave me respite. Then he resumed his hack ways and i lost confidence onhim again. And then he does that Joker theme music! I just couldn't beleive something like that was composed for a mainstream movie. Dude regaiend again a little of my respect. and now he made the INCEPTION score and again put himself on the very top! Why does he do this to me? Not that i'm complaining about INCEPTION, this score is FABULOUS!! It's magistral! And there's no way this movie is not emotional! Nothing that is truly cold and heartless could inspire a score like this! No way! This is the type of scroe a composer can only do for a movie with lots of heart. lots of heart. I don't give a fuck if the movie doesn't deliver lots of emotional pyrotenics, if it has a true heart and deep feelings. I rhater have those, heart and deep fellings instead of melodrama. In fact, true heart and deep feelings are antagonical to melodrama. Emo fuckers can have the later, i stick to the two first, if you know what i mean.

  • July 18, 2010 1:57 PM CST

    Asimov, the movie is extremely emotional

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm not sure what some of these fuckers are talking about, but I found the movie very emotional (in no small part thanks to Zimmer's score). I've heard Nolan called "cold", but I find his movies anything but. His heroes are extremely tortured souls. Anyway, I digress... Zimmer seems to be really challenging himself lately. I used to hate his bombastic action music, but now he's become so much more than that. He doesn't even use his typical action fare during the action scenes in "Inception"... it's far more emotional and visceral. You said "magistral"... and I can't think of a better word for it. My dad, who very rarely even notices film music (like most people, I think), turned to me near the end of the movie and said with a smile, "Are you listening to the music in this?"

  • July 18, 2010 2:04 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    Wow! Are you telling me that the music is even more noticable in the movie then just as an audio CD? Fantastic! I do know that Zimmer worships Vangelis and he desires to make his own Blade Runner. Could this be it? Could this finally be it?

    As for those who think that Nolan is cold, fuck 'em. Bunch of emos, if you ask me.

  • July 18, 2010 2:05 PM CST

    only 60 mil this weekend? Ouch

    by RPLocke

    Better start working on Batman 3.

  • July 18, 2010 2:06 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    And how many tiems have you seen this movie? Are you planing in watching it again (and as a side effect help it's box office)?

  • July 18, 2010 2:08 PM CST

    Wait a minute....

    by AsimovLives

    ... INCEPTION made 60 millions on first weekend??? Not bad at all! Good news. This is good news for all those who are hopeful that this film might taugh a lesson to Holywood that there's a public for more cerebral intelligent stuff.

  • July 18, 2010 2:15 PM CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    Only 60 millions? Are you fucking kidding me? ONLY?? What planet are you from? Since when 60 millions on opening week is a disapointment? Specially for an original work that is not based on any previously known franchise, TV show, comic, book, whatever? It's fucking impressive, that's what it is. Can't guess what will happen the next weeks, and what will be the foreign result,s but as opening, it's muscular. compare that to Sorceror's Apprentice, a movie made on a 150 million dollars budget, and with a first week result of 17 millions. Now tell me what is the disapointing numbers. And i have to say, that result for that Sorceror's Apprentice movie does bring me a smile to my face, because this means that Jerry Fuckheimer is getting two flops in a row in the same year. This is beyond great, this is the very stuff that dreams and happiness is made of. Jerry Fuckheimer being fucked in the ass at the box office twice in the same year? OH JOY!!!!

  • July 18, 2010 2:23 PM CST

    Asimov, I saw it twice

    by MattmanReturns

    Like Prestige, it demands a second viewing. The first viewing is merely a warm-up :)

  • July 18, 2010 2:30 PM CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    The Budget on Inception must be huge. It's gonna take awhile for it to make its money back. People forget that even Batman Begins wasn't a huge box office hit.

  • July 18, 2010 2:37 PM CST

    Locke / Budget / Box Office

    by MattmanReturns

    It's budget was $160 million, reportedly. This one will get great word of mouth and will definitely have longevity, I think. $60 is also great for a non-sequel, thought-provoker. I'm pleased that audiences didn't fall for that Sorcerer's Apprentice nonsense.

  • July 18, 2010 2:39 PM CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    People also forget that Batman Begins was sucessful enough to not only immediatly green-light TDK with Nolan on board as director, and give him almost unprecedent (in today's circunstances) creative control but also allow him to make a personal movie with a very confortable budget (THE PRESTIGE). You can't achieve those two things (creative control and allow making a personal project) with just a "wasn't a huge box office hit". No, BATMAN BEGINS was a pretty good box office hit. It pales to TDK because the later was gangantual. So, please, stop making nonsensical affirmations. Don't be daft, will you?

  • July 18, 2010 2:40 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    And are you going to watch it a 3rd time?

  • July 18, 2010 2:42 PM CST

    Asimov, certainly

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm sure the blu-ray will find a place on my shelf as well.

  • July 18, 2010 2:47 PM CST

    I have already listen to this score twice ina row...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and startign a 3rd listen. This score is pulling a number on me. THe last track in particular, called "Time" (which is probably the most recuring theme in the movie, i'm guessing) is particulary effective. Cold my ass, this is the stuff that true deep emotions are made of.

  • July 18, 2010 2:50 PM CST

    Good Movie BUT...

    by blhotz

    A dream inside a dream would NOT go faster, LOL. You only have one brain. A dream inside a dream would go as fast as the 1st level dream. Nolan must think we believe anything - nonethless, good entertaining MOVIE!

  • July 18, 2010 2:50 PM CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    Star trek 2009 was successful too! Go JJ Abrahms!!!!!!!!!!! And it didn't need to count DVD receipts, either.

  • July 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    You are giving me hope.

  • July 18, 2010 2:52 PM CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    Sure it was sucessful. Far less then what Jar Jar Abram's ass-slaves wanted it to make, though. In fac,t even Paramount admited the movie performed lower to expectations. That's the part that made me laugh, because fuckers like Jar Jar Abrams work only for one thing only: box office, and the lies they spread to justify their talentless hack asses..

  • July 18, 2010 2:54 PM CST

    blhotz

    by AsimovLives

    It's called the premise of the story, you either accept it or not. It's like space ships traveling faster then light, you either accept that or you don't, and if you don't, then the whole story will collapse for you. They invented a term for this, it's called SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF.

  • July 18, 2010 2:56 PM CST

    AsimovLive

    by RPLocke

    Well, it only performed lower because making four really shitty TNG movies will do that to you.

  • July 18, 2010 2:58 PM CST

    Transformers 2 was a huge box office success too

    by MattmanReturns

    We could play this game all day. In the end, it doesn't mean shit, and it doesn't make a bad movie good, or a good movie bad. I'm happy when a movie I like does well, but it's not a deal breaker either way.

  • July 18, 2010 2:59 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by RPLocke

    it DOES mean shit, because Serenity bombed HUGE and it didn't even get a sequel despite a small number of people online talking about the movie like it was God's gift to movies.

  • July 18, 2010 3:02 PM CST

    Locke, well if you want a sequel I guess it's important

    by MattmanReturns

    But I'm talking individual movies here. Serenity is a good example though... it bombed, but it's still a good movie in my opinion. How much money a movie rakes in or doesn't rake in does not change it's quality or prove anything. Is Transformers 2 a better movie than Blade Runner because one bombed and the other didn't?

  • July 18, 2010 3:02 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by RPLocke

    Yeah, but you hate Transformers anyway. Why would you care if it made money?

  • July 18, 2010 3:03 PM CST

    *its

    by MattmanReturns

    Fuck, I hate bad grammar... especially my own.

  • July 18, 2010 3:05 PM CST

    to the people bashing star trek..

    by emeraldboy

    i have only sone thing to say. berman and braga ran the entire franchise in to ground.

  • July 18, 2010 3:05 PM CST

    I don't actually hate Transformers 2

    by MattmanReturns

    I found it very amusing, in a "this is one of the most spectacularly bad movies I've ever seen" sort of way. It was entertainingly awful.

  • July 18, 2010 3:21 PM CST

    rbatty024

    by jimmy_009

    I think you really missed the mark saying Nolan doesn't know anything about dreams. On the contrary, I think he took some of the nebulous attribute about dreams and made them tangible. For instance the way dreams seem to perpetually imbed themselves in other dreams, the way you think you've woken up but haven't, that you can think you've been dreaming for hours and it's only been a few minutes. I think he thought about these long and hard and it shows. Putting wacky imagery out there wouldn't have fit the tone of the movie. He decided to do something different, but that doesn't mean he hasn't put a serious amount of thought into dreams.

  • July 18, 2010 3:56 PM CST

    WTF does Star Trek hhave to do with this anyway?

    by shutupfanboy

    I love how people hijack threads to bash people not even involved with the current thread. In Shatner's words, "Get a life."

  • July 18, 2010 6:14 PM CST

    The kids are in the same spot doing the same thing.

    by Monolith_Jones

    If the end is Leo back in reality, then that is pretty cheap film making.

    Also when Cobb was going through immigration the guy looked at him very oddly.

  • July 18, 2010 6:41 PM CST

    Wins Award for "Most Incapible Henchmen"

    by MST3KPIMP

    This movie lost me cuz gravity seemed to only apply when it favored the protagonists. In the many gun battles bullets seem to not make contact with anyone. I mean those gunmen surrounded them and shot dozens of rounds into a four person sedan only one of those shots hit a person? Did I miss the part where the car was bulletproof? Or when that dude on the bridge kept firing at the van. Tell me someone would'nt have been shot there. These are supposedly trained henchmen who dont make missing a habit. Of course whenever Leo and his cronies wanted to shoot someone it was simply a matter of pointing and shooting while waves of bullets convienatley pass them by from all directions. Ellen page would have dead within a minute.. But wait we needed her to explain shit.

  • July 18, 2010 7:32 PM CST

    mst3kpimp

    by Monolith_Jones

    Those were real henchmen?

  • July 18, 2010 7:36 PM CST

    INCEPTION SUCKED PERIOD EXLAMATION POINT

    by JimmyPasta

    I saw this drug induced screen play today at the Barrington IMAX for only 10 bucks. Not a bad deal,(BUT I was there for the 9am showing hence the cheap price). What got me about this movie,if the dreams are so "awesome" where are the flying elephants,trips to outerspace in an instant,invisible policemen or any other bizarre shit a human mind can dream of. Basically,the dreams were all pretty well grounded in reality. You want to make a movie about dreams,go hog wild! I considered getting up and leaving but stayed for the whole sordid mess! It Sucked major shit! That's what happens when studios leave a director alone in a room with his "vision". Nolan is noted for his realism in movies. Worked for Batman to a degree,but a movie about dreams should have been given to someone with an imagination!!! The movie brought in 60mil this weekend. I would be shocked if it makes a 3rd of that next weekend as word of mouth gets out. Nolan,it's summertime smartguy,keep it simple,stupid!

  • July 18, 2010 7:50 PM CST

    Great Movie

    by Swordfleece

    Watched it Friday and probably go again tomorrow. I couldn't help thinking this basically is Nolan's Bond film. The music, action everything was basically Bond.

  • Thank fuck Nolan ignores people who give him advice like that. That what makes him one of the best directors working today.

  • July 18, 2010 7:59 PM CST

    MST3KPIMP, huh?

    by MattmanReturns

    They weren't "trained henchmen"... they were subconscious projections. Of course they sucked at shooting. You do realize that all this was taking place in dreams, right?

  • July 18, 2010 8:06 PM CST

    "IT SUCKED MAJOR SHIT"

    by BringingSexyBack

    I suppose that's the 6th possibility, sure.

  • July 18, 2010 8:10 PM CST

    Monolith

    by MST3KPIMP

    no matter which "layer" of dreamland you want to attribute the henchmen were to be treated as "real" because getting hit was a major fail. If they were merely "subconsious manifestations" of henchmen than they would to have at least minimum skills as subconsious henchmen often do and would be able to hit the broadside of a broad. Of course this never seemed to happen with one exception. You'd think during the big "snow-down" Someone would have at least sustained a shoulder wound. Just too many people not getting shot when they sould have.

  • July 18, 2010 8:13 PM CST

    Ellen Page in Snowgoggles

    by MST3KPIMP

    how absurd did Ellen look with those ridiculous snow-goggles? Homegirl be lookin like Wall-E an shit.

  • July 18, 2010 8:13 PM CST

    MST3KPIMP, you must hate Star Wars and Bond movies

    by MattmanReturns

    as the henchmen suck shit at shooting in all of those. I'll tell you the REAL reason why henchmen can't shoot in movies... because the movie would be 15 minutes long. At least these shit henchmen have the excuse of being dreams.

  • July 18, 2010 8:15 PM CST

    I THOUGHT ELLEN IN GOGGLES LOOKED SUPER CUTE

    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 18, 2010 8:22 PM CST

    Mattman

    by MST3KPIMP

    Unlike SW and Bond this movie goes to painstaking lengths to establish the reality of the dreamworld phenomenon. They did a decent job I might add, so much so that when stupid shit happens you notice as it is a complete derailment from the tone of the story. I found watching all the bullets being fired with seemingly little effect to be exhausting. After a while it was simply a joke. And this is comming from a guy who sat through G.I. Joe.

  • July 18, 2010 8:31 PM CST

    JimmyPasta

    by jimmy_009

    Go watch Prince of Persia. I think it's simple enough for ya. First you call the script drug induced, but then whine that it's not crazy enough for you. If you want to watch a movie with elephants and space trips, go make one. I'm sure EVERYONE will enjoy it. I enjoyed this one because it actually deconstructed how dreams work, not the crazy shit they show, but how they might operate. Endlessly more interesting than monkeys flying around and the random stupid shit most directors would do.

  • July 18, 2010 8:55 PM CST

    I just realized RE: Harry and his review

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    isn't his internet down or something based on that headline where we thought he was dead?

  • July 18, 2010 8:55 PM CST

    Harry doesn't hate Inception, he's too lazy to review it

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    ... or something, who knows? I thought Ellen Page was smokin' in that conservative business girl suit with her hair pulled back and I've never thought she was particularly hot before.

  • July 18, 2010 8:56 PM CST

    and I wonder why I can login using chrome

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and not firefox?

  • July 18, 2010 9:00 PM CST

    Jimmy...

    by rbatty024

    Perhaps I should have said that Nolan wasn't interested in dreams. There is an argument going around, one that has a point, that the kind of freewheeling nature of dreams that we get from Bunuel and Lynch is completely missing from Inception. I tend to agree. However, I don't necessarily think this is that big of a problem. I think the film needs to be evaluated in the genre of sci-fi noir or cyberpunk. It's more interested in delivering some good twists and fun action than in delineating between the conscious and subconscious. In other words, it's a fun summer movie, but hardly the masterpiece some people claim.

  • Leo's presence is enough for me to avoid the movie. I want to see INCEPTION like I want to shave Kevin Smith's back hair while he talks about what a bad ass Yoda is. The leading actor is the soul of a movie. And there are too many movies with genuinely talented engaging leads that I'll never get a chance to see -- so flushing two hours of my life watching an actor devoid of charisma isn't going to happen. I just watched THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME with Charles Laughton. Saying Leo is to Laughton as a spitball straw is to a F-22 Raptor is a gross understatement.

  • July 18, 2010 9:22 PM CST

    Messyjoe

    by Messyjoe

    Hype only goes so far. I expected good, I got boring and confusing. The unavoidable firefight scenes were apparently needed to keep attention, but had no place in a dream sequence. Multiple levels of dreams when it's already confusing on the first level? A unique concept wasted. And someone wasn't up to the job.

  • July 18, 2010 9:51 PM CST

    Can you fuckin bitches go one talkback ....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    without mentioning Transformers and how bad it was. You're like fuckin' lemmings.

  • July 18, 2010 10:23 PM CST

    I was interested until the spoonfeeding of concepts started

    by Cali_Al

    We will figure it out or leave it in ambiguity. The movie was ok not great. How about I care about the participants, is that to muxh to ask?

  • July 18, 2010 10:48 PM CST

    rbatty024

    by jimmy_009

    Nolan wasn't interested in dreams. OK, where to even begin with that? He made a two hour movie -about- dreams, deconstructing the very structure of dreams and making an inventive movie around it. But he's not interested in dreams. I think he's a lot more interested in dreams than you even understand. The real issue is why dreams have to be portrayed in X or Y fashion or they aren't correct? HE ISN'T INTERESTED IN HOW DREAMS FEEL, HE'S INTERESTED IN HOW DREAMS WORK. I say through the movie with my mind blown thinking "why has no one ever looked into these things before now?" What movie has really dug into the time of dreams. How a dream can seem to last for hours when you've only been asleep for minutes. Not only did he ask this question, he answered it by giving each level different time. That was fucking genius, and people are complaining that there aren't clowns walking around. WTF. Nolan is taking on dreams from the vantage point of a neurologist, and you dumbasses are wondering why there isn't more "weird shit" going on. I don't think there's been more clever script in this year, let alone this decade, and you dumbasses are actually complaining about it. In this year of sequels, remakes, and bombs, you are complaining that you've gotten the most original, thought provoking, mind bending movie of the last decade. Seriously. And he's not interested in dreams. He's not interested in portraying dreams in the typical fashion because he deconstructed them and built them back up to serve his purpose. Most directors just say "dreams are weird, here's some weird stuff on screen" without thinking for one moment "ok, now what's going on here beyond the surface? What is time like in a dream? How do dreams layer one on top of the other? Why are you always in the "now" of a dream rather than retaining a conscious memory of things you just did." The movie is fucking brilliant, and you retards complain that it's not weird enough. This is something totally different that we haven't seen before, and you want copies of David Lynch. We have David Lynch for that.

  • July 18, 2010 10:54 PM CST

    Cali_Al

    by jimmy_009

    How else are you going to play out that movie without setting up how the rules work first in a simple fashion? This isn't a mini-series, you don't have 10 hours to slowly unravel it. It's a heist flick, he set up the rules and then played it out through those rules like any good heist flick. I have a feeling that if this was an unknown director, put out in January with no fan fair the same people that are saying "meh" would be fucking trumpeting the arrival of the greatest movie of our decade. I bet half the jerkoffs on this site are just jealous that they didn't write the fucking thing. I bet five years from now they'll be whistling a different tune when they're still deconstructing this script.

  • July 18, 2010 11:03 PM CST

    As for what double feature to pair this with...

    by jimmy_009

    ... I kept hearing that this would make a good double feature with Shutter Island. Shutter Island was simply OK, with a twist I saw coming half way through the movie (and my wife had pegged at the beginning, something she never does) and we both had to sit through and watch it unravel in obvious fashion. It had good moments, but the only thing that kept it from being an M. Knight jerkoff fest was Scorsese. Now if I was going to do a double feature with Inception there is only one movie I'd go with: Eternal Sunshine. Two movies about the mind that tackle it from two different directions but actually think about what's going on in there rather than just show the surface result of it.

  • July 18, 2010 11:35 PM CST

    AsimovLives

    by blakindigo

    Stop reading or watching any info about the movie. When it opens in Portugal, go in cold, without the hyperbole of the fans in your ear. It might be good to put your expectations in check, so you can watch the film on it's own terms.

    Having said that, I'm going to see "Inception" again tomorrow — the Imax screenings were sold out the entire weekend (and I went to 3 different cinemas).

  • July 18, 2010 11:39 PM CST

    JimmyPasta — watch "The Holy Mountain"

    by blakindigo

    That movie answers all of life's mysteries.

  • July 18, 2010 11:39 PM CST

    Just saw it- Spoilers! Best picture.

    by UltraTron

    Best director. Best screenplay. Best music. Best fx. Best art direction. Best zero gravity set. Most intelligent Hollywood movie ever made. More intelligent than Altered States which I would have argued but this shit went there and achieved unbelievable heights. The glass crunching music cues my god the music, mood, lyricism of each scene- the best ceiling cobra commander asskick imaginable, Bronson. Fuck yeah. Best sound. So great. Now give me an R rated where the person on bottom snaps out of it just in time to see his buddies splat on the elevator ceiling layer

  • July 18, 2010 11:51 PM CST

    hated Juno

    by MyScreenplayWasRejected

    I watched JUNO and wished the title character would die in childbirth or something. Ellen Page redeemed herself in my eyes with her turn in INCEPTION.

  • July 18, 2010 11:53 PM CST

    I agree, so far this is the Best Picture

    by jimmy_009

    The only other movie that comes close is Toy Story 3, but that will win Best Animated.

  • July 19, 2010 12:03 AM CST

    Seeing it in IMAX

    by ConfusedPanda

    I know it's kind of predictable for someone who sees a movie in IMAX to say "You have to see it in IMAX!" afterwards, and Inception certainly isn't required IMAX viewing; it's a movie with substance to it (not just pretty visuals), so I bet it's still great to see in a standard movie theater. However, I couldn't be happier that I watched it for the first time at an IMAX theater. I had nearly dead-center seats, and having the screen fill my vision, with the picture perfectly clear, made it a much, much better experience for so many of the sequences in the movie. Watching JGL maneuver around the elevator in zero gravity was quite powerful in IMAX. Plus, I have a feeling the sound (at least at my IMAX theater) was louder and fuller. The movie's fantastic score is really done justice in an IMAX theater. It's annoying when I see a movie at a standard theater and the sound seems just a liiiiittle quieter than it should be. At the IMAX theater I attended, everything sounded just a little louder and fuller than it should be, and it worked for a visceral movie like this one. I decided that I want to see the movie a second time, and I may see it in a standard theater for reasons out of my control, yet I am very tempted to see it again in IMAX. Plus, my IMAX lets you choose your seats ahead of time, and I feel very bad for anyone that has crappy seats the first time they see this movie.

  • July 19, 2010 12:10 AM CST

    ConfusedPanda

    by blakindigo

    I'm jealous. That is all…

  • July 19, 2010 12:13 AM CST

    Anyone have the website for the dream machine thingy?

    by blakindigo

    Please re-post it.

  • July 19, 2010 12:24 AM CST

    The Prestige

    by Kaitain

    One of the first on the list when I try to think of my favourite movies of the last decade.

    An example - not as rare as some people might think - of a movie surpassing its source material book.

  • July 19, 2010 12:36 AM CST

    Three words...

    by MyScreenplayWasRejected

    The. Inner. Light.

  • July 19, 2010 1:37 AM CST

    Wait a min AsimovLives Trek09 did not underperform

    by The Founder

    What universe are u living in. Star Trek with Abrams at the helm did good box office. I don't know where u read that the studio was disappointed but I read that the Paramount expected Trek to make less then it did,especially on opening weekend. Paramount wasn't expecting Trek to rake in 400 million. How could they, when Trek films of the past had only decent success and then just nose dived. Didn't Abrams Trek make like 260-270 domestically. When is that considered underperforming, especially given its budget. Let's hope Inception makes it tothat amount with it's 180 mil budget.

  • July 19, 2010 1:51 AM CST

    Nolan said Inception had similar concepts to Dark City and Matri

    by The Founder

    Read the article in the current issue of Empire magazine. Nolan stated that films like Dark City and The Matrix have similar concepts. He said it's been 10 years since those films and enough time had passed for another film dealing with this different reality concept. Although no film maker is going to outright admit they borrowed elements from another film but the man all but said his inspiration came from those films and that the Matrix was the one that really went deep into that concept.

  • July 19, 2010 1:57 AM CST

    Inception may get Oscar for best Fx and that's it.

    by The Founder

    Really some of you are going overboard. Inception for Best Picture? Keep dreaming. Films like this don't get nominations unless it's best fx. The Matrix got only best fx I believe and that was a a good film. Inception is right up there with The Matrix but not quite IN MY OPINION. Also buy the time Oscar time comes around Inception will be forgotten.

  • July 19, 2010 2:41 AM CST

    The Founder

    by RPLocke

    Hey if UP can get nominated Inception sure can!

  • July 19, 2010 2:48 AM CST

    wow

    by Kraven Morehead

    Leo shouldn't be part of some dream warrior team when he's dragging around Marion Cotialard everywhere. He was such a huge liability and should've sat out the mission. I thought the whole movie was "Dreamscape" with a budget.

  • July 19, 2010 4:14 AM CST

    Inception: Entertainment Value vs. Intellectual Stimulation

    by Voyageur

    I’m not comparing Kubrick’s “Eyes Wide Shut” and Nolan’s “Inception” along the lines of entertainment value vs. intellectual stimulation. I was comparing the two with regard to the effectiveness of their respective dream narratives. “Eyes Wide Shut,” in my opinion, has a more effective dream narrative. But, you raise an interesting point with the entertainment value vs. intellectual stimulation angle. Let me step back for a moment to say a little something about Nolan as a director, and “Inception” as a case of pre-release studio-led and critically acclaimed hype. Christopher Nolan has made a name for himself for supposedly being cerebral and intelligent. Most of his fans won’t deny the auteur image and style of filmmaking he’s cultivated, and how the films are perceived AS cerebral and intelligent viewing. “Inception,” as a film, was talked about as a cerebral and intelligent, high concept summer blockbuster. Again, nobody will deny that this was the case. Now, back to my point… If this is the case, that both the filmmaker and the film were said to be cerebral, intelligent and high-concept, why is everyone backpedaling and making “Inception” out to be merely a piece of entertainment? Clearly he was trying to make something cerebral and intellectual, else why deal with multi-layered dreams at all? If it’s pure entertainment, why hype the filmmaker and the material in such a way? I know he’s not trying to invoke Jung. He doesn’t have to invoke Jung or Kubrick or whomever. Jung was a man who simply recognized and explained the symbolism of dreams: the re-occurring themes and patterns that are played out in a multitude of ways across the minds of billions of people. He doesn’t have to play with Jungian archetypes, but he should at least have dealt with the one common thread of all dreams: that they do NOT follow a set of clearly-defined rules, rules that would allow conmen to walk through a dreamscape in great confidence (no pun intended) that the target’s subconscious dreaming mind wouldn’t suddenly shift and render the architect’s perfect blueprint absolutely meaningless!!! There are indications of this in the movie, obviously, but not the full implications. And I would argue that the reason for this is that Christopher Nolan is not visionary enough to go into that territory. Tarsem is the type of visionary you need. Kubrick could have done it. While I’m not a huge fan of Gondry, he had the subconscious mind down in “Eternal Sunshine.” Hell, Spielberg even has the grand vision necessary.

  • July 19, 2010 4:34 AM CST

    5onthe5 & Tenebaum...

    by Voyageur

    5onthe5… In a roundabout way, you proved my point. Yes, most people’s dreams wouldn’t make a lick of coherent sense. They’re unpredictable, fluid. Nolan had to have known this and realized he’d have to set up all of these rules for the average moviegoer to be able to understand. I say that indicates either narrative and visual laziness or lack of vision, probably both. I don’t find my dreams tedious, nor most of the ones related to me by my friends. I, however, did find Nolan’s “Inception” very tedious… Tenebaum… You’re right, not all dreams have the well-known Jungian or Freudian cues. But, dreams—no matter the specifics—usually symbolize something. Everyone seems to be missing my larger point here, which is this: throw the Jungian/Freudian dream symbolism material out of the window for the moment (for the sake of argument, even though it’s not in the movie), and what we’re left with in “Inception” is a film that attempts to box in the unpredictability of dreams. Now, the counter-argument is that the architects are building (for the conmen) the dream world. Of course. But, what I am saying is that even assuming that this is possible in the realm of fictional storytelling, there’s no way the conmen could predict and control things to the extent that they do, given the unpredictability of dreams. You could drop a target into a tightly-controlled dream world, and the target’s subconscious would very quickly run amok. Again, Nolan knew this. Couldn’t find a way around it probably, and sought to control it by establishing all of these rules of the dream state, which I find tedious, contrived, convenient and not in keeping with what a dreamer experiences. If anyone thinks that there is a counter-argument to my point here (that a target would most certainly run amok, even in a tightly-controlled dream world governed by conmen), I’d like to see it…

  • July 19, 2010 5:01 AM CST

    rbatty024: is Inception about dreams?

    by Voyageur

    In one of your above posts, you said "Inception" isn't about dreams... You said it should be viewed through a cyberpunk lens. I would agree. It has the narrative architecture and style of cyberpunk (I hope you mean the godfather Philip K. Dick than the supremely bad writing of William Gibson)… While I give you the cyberpunk lens through which to view “Inception,” I will not let you go so easy for what you said about Nolan’s understanding of dreams and his execution of a dream narrative. The man has apparently been thinking about this story since he was sixteen, and has been working on the screenplay for ten years. In that time, I’m sure he’s studied a great deal of dream psychology and related literature. I’ve read interviews in which Nolan said he wanted to make a movie for a long time about dreams. So, I take the man at his word. He set out to make a movie about dreams, and while it may be stylistically cyberpunk, the fact of the matter is that “Inception” is Nolan’s take on the dream state. And for a man who took so long to make his movie about dreams, he sure didn’t account for the unpredictability of the dreamer’s subconscious mind—how the dreamer (the target) would trample all over the rules and dream architecture created by the conmen.

  • July 19, 2010 5:09 AM CST

    Katain: You think the film Prestige surpasses the book???

    by Voyageur

    "An example - not as rare as some people might think - of a movie surpassing its source material book." What? Christopher Priest's 'The Prestige' is easily one of the best science fiction books of the last two decades, and you put the book below the film? The book has one of the most mind-blowing endings any reader will EVER come across, and the Nolan brothers excised it for a reason I'm still trying to figure out. Probably because Priest's ending, if included in the film, would have outshone the writer and director's work itself. The book is expertly-crafted, with not only two unreliable narrators (split into two journals), but another narrative in the present that ties them both together. The film is great, but it doesn't even come close to the dark splendour of Priest's novel, how Borden and Angier twist the truth to their confessors (the readers) like true magicians. The novel is impeccably-crafted and, I'm sorry, better than the film.

  • July 19, 2010 5:10 AM CST

    Hmm, I wanna read that book now

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 19, 2010 5:43 AM CST

    Voyageur

    by hst666

    I like your posts and I agree with a lot of what I have read bu the following is ridiculous:

    "I hope you mean the godfather Philip K. Dick than the supremely bad writing of William Gibson)"

    Dick did dystopian futures, which is about as close to cyberpunk as his work gets. Gibson's work defined the genre. Admittedly, after reading the works of Chandler, I relized his writing style was derivative, but the stories in Burning Chrome and the novel Neuromancer are classics.

  • July 19, 2010 5:46 AM CST

    Inceptuion had a lot of depth and layers

    by hst666

    Anyone who did not get that, should go back to watching Transformers.

  • July 19, 2010 6:48 AM CST

    asimov ....

    by JackGraham

    yeah i remembered you talking about Valhalla last time, thats why i brought it up again. i guessed it was filmed in scotland but i didnt know exactly where. ive been to loch ness and its surrounding lands before and yes its beautiful, unfortunately i dont live next to loch ness, i live about 60 miles away with fantastic views of other peoples houses .... how've you been?

  • July 19, 2010 7:49 AM CST

    Re: Voyageur and Jimmy

    by rbatty024

    I actually really enjoyed the film. My point is, from the standpoint of a film about dreams, it seems a bit lacking. Let's take the difference in time between the real world and dreams. Plenty of "dream" films have played around with this concept ("Mulholland Drive" to name just one), but Nolan attaches a rigid mathematical equation (five minutes to one hour) that doesn't mesh with how many people actually experience dreams. Often we are never sure how much time has passed in a dream and sometimes time can jump around. Dreamers might age fifty years, for example. Again, this rule may have its origins in dreams, but it's really about creating a stable "virtual world" like those in cyberpunk novels (and I actually do like Gibson's work). Dreams are merely the excuse to create an alternate world. I'm fine with that. But I also don't think it teaches us much about the nature of dreams.

    What the film does provide is great summer entertainment. It was exciting, had twists and entertained. That's not a small task these days. However, I don't think it's Nolan's best. A good entry into his line of work, but not on the level of something like Momento. This film is more like his Minority Report than his Schindler's List.

  • July 19, 2010 8:29 AM CST

    Concept is everything

    by ChicagoRonin

    Looking at the preceding discussion, it seems to me that part of the problem is that it is difficult for many folks to buy into Nolan's concept of dream manipulation in the movie, without which the movie does fall completely apart. I came away from the film with the impression that members of the extraction trade have figured out a way to install maximum control over dream realities through a combination of technology and mental discipline (the "why's" of which are never explained, but that doesn't bother me). Though it is preposterous in terms of our real, everyday dreaming that it would be possible to scientifically break down even minutes and seconds, or specific entry/exit points in dream layers, I think that's the film's central conceit. Cobb's problem within the film is that his personal emotional problems are overwhelming his abilities, hence the intrusion of memories and anxieties into the fake realities being used for their operations. I'll agree there seems to be something pedestrian about the dream realities as depicted, but my assumption was that was how these operations proceed (For example, it wouldn't make sense to try and feed an idea into Fischer's head in ancient Rome, or a Dungeons & Dragon's type fantasy land). The film may have benefited by showing scenes of entering people in regular unmanipulated dream states, but Nolan apparently thought that unimportant (on which point, I'd slightly disagree). In terms of filmmaking I do think "Inception" is being overrated, but I did enjoy it nonetheless, and even if viewed as flawed, it beats the pants off of pretty much every other big-budget blockbuster. Whether it's truly a great (or even just memorable) film is entirely up to the passage of time. And that doesn't mean that it's flaws will go away. I simultaneously consider "Blade Runner" an audacious, visually-stunning and influential studio-produced science fiction film that also has serious plot holes, clunky action sequences and largely fails in terms of drama (though Batty's end monologue makes me weep).

  • July 19, 2010 10:04 AM CST

    JackGraham

    by AsimovLives

    I misunderstood you, i though you lived nearer Lock Ness. If the movie is any indication, it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth. Also very remote, a guy could get loss and die there without anybody noticing it. I really love the movie, i really do. Though i can't seem to find the score for sale in CD. I really loved the score of the movie. My new favorite score is form INCEPTION, and i haven't watched the movie yet. I it sort of pains to say this, because Hans Zimmer frustrates me to no end. It would be far simplier if Zimmer only made stupid dumb Jerry Bruckheimer-like bullshit movie scores. The fucker occasionally remembers he's quite talented and pulls a really great score like INCEPTION. Why does he do this to me?

  • July 19, 2010 10:15 AM CST

    ChicagoRonin

    by AsimovLives

    I find the resistance to Nolan's concept strange. This are the same people who buy into the most dumb action movie bullshit, who can see people fall from great heights without much of a scratch and such bullshit, who can buy all the fucking dumb shit found in such movies as Abram's latest... and yet with INCEPTION they became picky and hard to get? Very strange, that. It's damn peculiar. It's as if people are resenting the fact that Nolan made a smart movie.

  • July 19, 2010 10:20 AM CST

    WOW

    by acidlefe

    This movie was absolutely amazing! After enduring all the crap of this year's releases (with the exception a few) This is the best movie i have seen in some time. I simply can not say enough good things about this moive. It was original (mostly) great mind fuck, Good acting, Direction EVERYTHING!! I loved it. 10 out of 10, So far best moive of year!

  • July 19, 2010 10:23 AM CST

    Lock Ness = Loch Ness

    by AsimovLives

  • July 19, 2010 10:27 AM CST

    Inception/Shutter Island double feature?

    by chewyou812

    Please play Inception first because I'd have to remove my eyeballs with a fork if I was forced to watch Shitter Island again. Inception is a beautiful and brilliant film about the mind, about letting go, and about just how far the planting of one idea can go. Inception does indeed exceed expectations while Shitter Island has a twist that anyone who saw the trailer saw coming.

  • July 19, 2010 10:34 AM CST

    Best Ever or Worst Ever?

    by lettersoftransit

    Get tired of movies rated here as either one or the other. This is a lot of fun and keeps you thinking, but if you think about it too carefully you will see places where a logic was meticulously established and mostly adhered to, only to be dispensed with in a few places in ways that can take you right out of it. Can people who are only dream projections interact solely with one another, or only from the POV of a dreamer? Does the inner ear response only work when a person’s body is tipped in reality, or does it also work in a dream within a dream? Whichever the answer, there are moments when the story tries to have it both ways. Despite that, however, the logic problems here were not as jarring to me as the ones in prestige, and Memento had nearly none that took me out of the story. Less then perfect, to be sure. But still more than worth the price of admission.

  • July 19, 2010 10:36 AM CST

    i hated it. thought it was crap

    by smudgewhat

    glossy, shiny, noisy crap. and i LOVED "The Dark Knight". thought it was a cheap move to play the 'dead perfect wife, super adorable kids' card right off the top. this thing is at LEAST 45 minutes too long. rips off the Matrix too. Leo was ok but not great. Enjoyed Tom Hardy for most part. Ellen Page wasted on exposition. Gordon Levitt Thompson or whatever his name is is kind of a shitty actor. Trying way too hard to be badass. Not credible as some brain invading genius. Actually none of them are. they just seem like actors in a movie.

  • July 19, 2010 10:52 AM CST

    A Blade 2 type review from Harry for INCEPTION

    by AsimovLives

    Imagine that! Or rather, not!

  • July 19, 2010 10:54 AM CST

    Even if INCEPTION is bad...

    by AsimovLives

    ... (a notion i'm finding very, very hard to believe), at least we got a very good soundtrack from Herr Zimmer. There's something to be gained.

  • July 19, 2010 10:54 AM CST

    That Rex Reed review:

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    There's nothing sadder than a forgotten, brain-addled old queen.

  • July 19, 2010 10:54 AM CST

    Voyageur — Tedious? Really?

    by blakindigo

    I think you raise valid points, but, I don't understand the tedium. Here's how I see the dream device used in the film.

    **SPOILERS**

    The military crafted the PASIV device for war games, allowing soldiers to simulate field ops while inside an unfamiliar and unpredictable setting. They would have spent an inordinate amount of money and resources to understand the structure of how to effectively construct and manipulate dreams to their benefit.

    Humans are 'unpredictable' but, tend to act in patterns; there seems to be underlying structures and behavioural patterns that remain consistent even while individuals can (and do) change, interrupt and subvert those patterns. But, the tendency is for people to 'stay on pattern'. Look at something like Neuro-Linguistic Programming — it has a fairly consistent track record in adapting to specific personality cues to modify behaviour, based on a 'probable' response. Interrogators use it all the time. Reading body language, facial ticks, vocal fluctuations, eye movement, etc. All have specific meanings and are essentially controllable elements.

    Nolan's supposition is that the PASIV device is effective because the user builds upon the psychological make-up and structure of how the target dreams and what they are likely to accept. That means based on all available research, Cobb & Co. are selling the idea that they CAN predict dreams — just as they probably can deduce what suit an executive would chose based on past purchases, their economic status and personal taste with a high degree of accuracy.

    The reason why a "dream architect" is necessary (read: VITAL) to the process is that they are essentially an 'artist' who can manipulate dream logic by anticipating what will be accepted by the mark. It's a confidence man's game, based on reading peoples reactions and studying their habits. They can't control the 'unconscious', but they can manipulate the perceptions of the mark and make them accept their version of his/her dream state based on the extensive research, intuition and their own talents.

  • July 19, 2010 10:57 AM CST

    AsimovLives

    by blakindigo

    Please don't read any spoiler material (including my own). Go in fresh.

  • July 19, 2010 11:00 AM CST

    Fucking hilarious

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    To watch this tool asimov go from bashing everything in the world to endlessly and shamefully sucking the cock of chris nolan....we get it you think he is a god and would have his children if you could. Damn your mouth must be tired between the endless ass kissing and dick sucking and still after all this time talks about fucking star trek like it matters like anyone gives two fucks what you think about a movie that came out over a year ago. Get a life move on talk about something else, the world is tired of your endless bullshit about that movie.BTW saw Inception and it kicked ass, im sure asimov will cream his pants the minute it starts. They are just movies, not life, maybe you should get one then you would know.

  • July 19, 2010 11:03 AM CST

    go in with very little knowledge of the movie

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    it still rocks but the less you know the better

  • July 19, 2010 11:13 AM CST

    riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    by jimmy_009

    Follow your own advice, huh, psycho?

  • July 19, 2010 11:16 AM CST

    GeneralJSJackson

    by jimmy_009

    Shut the fuck up. You haven't even seen it. I've seen it once and feel completely satisfied that I "got it". Would I enjoy seeing it again to pick up extra stuff? You better believe it. Comparing it to the slogfest that was the poorly written Pirates movie just shows your ignorance.

  • July 19, 2010 11:17 AM CST

    "45 minutes too long..."

    by MyScreenplayWasRejected

    I hate comments like this. From where exactly would you have cut the 45 minutes?

  • July 19, 2010 11:19 AM CST

    jimmy 009

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    Oh why what are you another nolan ass kisser? Im not a shameless ass kisser like some people on here. Movies are great fun and all but people act like they are more important that anything else in the world, and that's just sad and pathetic.

  • July 19, 2010 11:20 AM CST

    inception doesnt need cuts

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    its perfect the way it is, if you think it needs cuts then go take some more adhd meds

  • July 19, 2010 11:30 AM CST

    riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    by jimmy_009

    Yeah you clearly have such a strong grip on reality that you're attacking strangers on an internet movie site with reams of expletives and insults. But good for you, you've got a great balance going with your life and all.

  • July 19, 2010 11:40 AM CST

    re: 45 minutes

    by smudgewhat

    lots of places. plenty of dead time in the snowscape, or repeats of previous chases. how many times can one see them being chased and shot at (without being hit of course, except for Ken) with no underlying emotional content before you tune out? the weightless hallway gag goes on FOREVER. just get them in the fucking elevator already ASSHOLE. if a movie is going to be this long it needs a reason, otherwise you're wasting my time. Dark Knight did not have this problem b/c it was so compelling - the acting was so alive. this puppy is a video game with actors sleepwalking through technobabble like bad Star Trek.

  • July 19, 2010 11:43 AM CST

    jimmy 009

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    Oh like asimov doesnt attack people? I have seen his insults and his rants at other people on here for quite some time. He thinks he is the final say in what is good and bad. Sees everything as black and white, no middle ground.Thinks his opinions are the only correct ones and if you disagree with him youre and idiot. Yea he has such a great grip on reality that he really thinks after a year anyone gives a shit what he thinks about star trek. There is a difference between highly opinionated and arrogant. Most of us on here are highly opinionated but are open to the fact that what one may like another may not and we understand that what we think is good someone else may not. not our friend asimov. he thinks if he hates a movie that everyone else should too and if they dont they are just assholes. but its ok for him to suck nolan's cock and if someoen comes along with a negative opinion of nolan or his movies, there he is to tell everyone what fools we are because we have a negative opinion of something he likes. wake up pal, if you don't see that this is what the guy does then you have no grip on reality.

  • July 19, 2010 12:05 PM CST

    Jimmypasta

    by hst666

    "where are the flying elephants,trips to outerspace in an instant,invisible policemen or any other bizarre shit a human mind can dream of"

    That's what you dream about. Personally, very few of my dreams involve anything truly fantastic. Almost never do they include supernatural or science-fiction. They may involve a car crash, showing up somewhere unprepared/naked, hooking up with a girl I won't ever hook up with in reality, etc. Sometimes they include TV/Movie/literary characters.

    However, no flying elephants

  • July 19, 2010 12:06 PM CST

    The Ending SPOILER !!!!!!!!!

    by Dirkblack

    SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILER. !!!!!!!! It was pretty clear to me that in the end he was dreaming, as his children were wearing exactly the same clothes, were in the same part of the garden, Were playing the same game, And most importantly....Hadn't aged a day.

  • July 19, 2010 12:08 PM CST

    That is to say

    by hst666

    I thought they captured dreamworlds accurately. The parts I agree was hard to swallow was the relative stability and unchanging of the dreamworlds as I can transition from location to location pretty quickly, and the reliability of dream time ratios.

  • July 19, 2010 12:32 PM CST

    I don't even know who the hell Asmiov is

    by jimmy_009

    You on the other hand seem to be some bitter Internet troll that doesn't even realize the things that he's typing apply to himself. You sound like a child whining about this stuff. But HEEEE's a big meanine!!! He touched me first!!! Whine whine, bitch bitch.

  • July 19, 2010 1:13 PM CST

    Complaining that the dreams weren't surreal = stupidity

    by Cameron1

    The WHOLE POINT of the dreams is that they are as real feeling as possible so the person they are extracting from doesn't know it's a dream. The entire sequence at the beginning in the mansion/apartment/train spells it out as clear as fucking day.

  • July 19, 2010 1:26 PM CST

    hst666

    by jimmy_009

    Yes but you aren't a lucid dreamer actively maintaining this dreamworld. Remember, it's not the mark or target that's dreaming this, it's the conmen. They are placing this person inside their own dream states and actively trying to keep that a stable environment. The only thing the mark is dreaming up are the projections that fill that space. So as long as the conmen can keep the world space up, it remains exactly what they want it to be.

  • July 19, 2010 1:35 PM CST

    Blade 2 Review

    by Autodidact

    Without looking it up... is that the notorious "chocolate covered pussy juice" episode? Blecch!

  • July 19, 2010 1:38 PM CST

    GeneralJSJackson

    by jimmy_009

    First off you haven't even seen Inception so what are you complaining about? Oh, you hate the director so you're going to rip on it before you see it. Gotcha. If you can't tell the difference between the slapped together, made up on the fly plotting of the second and third pirates movies and the densely woven, well thought out storytelling of Inception then what the hell would I possibly have to say to such a person? Seriously? Of course you haven't seen Inception, so again you have no basis on what I'm talking about, instead you bring up a movie no one was remotely thinking about so you could jump into the debate. Pirates was a clusterfuck of "we better come up with some backstory and plot filler" because we didn't know part one would be such a hit. Suddenly characters who are just average joes in the first movies are now action superstars. Didn't add stupid rules of the sea in the first two movies? No problem, just dump them in the third if helps you establish the world and backstory that should have been done in the first two. Pirates 2 and 3 are a shitstorm of bad writing. Even if I wanted to make sense of the hackneyed, made up on the fly "storytelling" I certainly wouldn't watch it again because it was CRAP.

  • July 19, 2010 2:09 PM CST

    Asimov attacks me all the time

    by RPLocke

    He attacks anyone who loves Transformers and New Trek. He really doesn't care about any other opinion other than his own.

  • July 19, 2010 2:13 PM CST

    "No film should have to be watched twice"

    by MattmanReturns

    Bullshit, bullshit, BULLSHIT! Some of the best films can change every time you see them, such as American Psycho, Apocalypse Now, or any given Kubrick movie. I LOVE movies that require a second viewing. The best films cannot be fully grasped and then tossed away after a single viewing. Inception's final shot compelled me to see the movie again and look for clues... I had become so caught up that I was immediately hungry for more. That's good filmmaking, any way you slice it.

  • July 19, 2010 2:16 PM CST

    Awww poor Locke

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 19, 2010 2:17 PM CST

    If Asimov hates New Trek and Transformers

    by jimmy_009

    And likes Inception, then I side with him. He's got good taste. You guys are the idiots in this scenario.

  • July 19, 2010 2:20 PM CST

    The difference between Inception and World's End

    by MattmanReturns

    Inception is complicated because the story requires it to be. World's End is complicated because Bruckheimer wanted a 3 hour movie (he has said as much). World's End (which I do enjoy, btw) is needlessly padded. Inception is necessarily complicated. I can't think of anything that could be cut out of it without the film suffering. There's a lot that could be trimmed from World's End. That's the difference.

  • July 19, 2010 2:20 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by jimmy_009

    I completely agree. I think the distinction is that a well-written movie can and should be returned to get those extra layers or to just further understand what you saw. I think the General is suggesting that people were complaining about the Pirates movie and how they would have to watch it again to understand it, the difference being that that is a poorly written movie. In this case you should NOT see again because just because the writers couldn't come up with a coherent story so they just threw crap on the wall to see what stuck. I'm thinking that's where the conflict is coming from the General, that he thinks that the Pirates movies are good when they are in fact not.

  • July 19, 2010 2:22 PM CST

    Mattman, you are a smart guy

    by jimmy_009

    I couldn't think of a way to phrase it, but you nailed it. These are two wildly different movies, one that you can rewatch to be rewarded, and one that you can rewatch to try to piece together what the writers couldn't.

  • July 19, 2010 2:23 PM CST

    Also why the fuck are you even comparing the two?

    by MattmanReturns

    It's like comparing McDonalds to a lobster dinner. And if you haven't even seen Inception, you don't know wtf you're talking about.

  • July 19, 2010 2:24 PM CST

    Mattman

    by rogueleader66

    I agree with what you said 100% but let me expand on what you said....a film should not HAVE to be seen more than once in order to "get it", let's face it there are people in the world who see a movie once and that's enough for them, a film should not require a viewer to see it multiple times.

    That being said, you are absolutely correct in your assessment that some of the best films are the ones where you see something different over multiple viewings, or can see more into the story than you did the first time. Seeing films like that more than once can greatly enrich the movie watching experience.

  • July 19, 2010 2:27 PM CST

    jimmy_009: "one that you can rewatch and be rewarded"

    by MattmanReturns

    That's it exactly.

  • July 19, 2010 2:31 PM CST

    rogueleader66

    by MattmanReturns

    And I should clarify, a great film doesn't have to be complicated (Jaws), but who the hell would only want to see Jaws once!? The highest compliment you can pay a film is wanting to see it again immediately after finishing it. And that's how I know Inception is such a great movie. Also, I've never heard an audience react like they did at the end of this one (both times I saw it). First they collectively shouted "AAWWWWW!!", and then followed that up with applause.

  • July 19, 2010 2:34 PM CST

    Why does someone have to be an idiot

    by rogueleader66

    Because they like a certain movie? That really annoys me. Individual tastes are just that, individual. I liked new Trek (much to my friend Asimov's dismay LOL) and I am also dying to see Inception (could not this weekend, had the kids over and we saw The A Team, good kick ass action movie). So what does that make me?

    I just get tired of the generalization of people, the whole "if you like new Trek your an idiot" bullshit. We all have our own taste and our own system by how we rate films, and just because one differs from another, doesn't make anyone anymore of an idiot (with some exceptions of course) than anyone else. It's one thing if it is an annoying troll just starting shit, but to lump people all into one category is a shitty thing to do, IMO.

  • July 19, 2010 2:37 PM CST

    Sorry rogueleader

    by jimmy_009

    I didn't mean to say that liking or disliking one specific movie makes a person an idiot. But if you start putting together enough likes or dislikes I think you can get a pretty good idea of where someone falls on the idiot-o-meter. For instance likes Transformers and New Trek, dislikes Inception is about a 6 or 7 on the idiot-o-meter. If that hurts someones feelings, then we can just call it the poor-taste-in-movies-and-possibly-an-idiot-o-meter.

  • July 19, 2010 2:38 PM CST

    Haha, I dig Trek also

    by MattmanReturns

    Please don't hurt me, Asimov.

  • July 19, 2010 2:40 PM CST

    Mattman

    by rogueleader66

    Hey I agree, if I don't wanna see a film again, that's not a good sign, or if it's something I will watch if nothing else is on, ditto. It's the ones I go out of my way to see again that are the ones I know are good. The one's that when I see them for the first time, I want to see it again immediately, I know it was good. Good films warrant multiple viewings, all I am saying is that it should not be a requirement.

    You are also correct in saying that a great film doesn't have to be complicated, and cited a great example in Jaws. Another one would be Star Wars (the first one, as always, I refuse to call the first three episode 4,blah blah blah, except when i'm talking to my kids, that's what they grew up knowing them as)...simple story, brilliantly executed.

  • July 19, 2010 2:43 PM CST

    jimmy

    by rogueleader66

    Ok I cannot totally disagree with you on that, although I am against any kind of generalization, that's not too far off the mark, if you like Trek and Transformers but think Inception or TDK are dreck, then your movie taste is definitely questionable.

  • July 19, 2010 2:46 PM CST

    Mattman

    by rogueleader66

    Don't worry, asimov knows I liked Trek as well and I have told him my reasons behind it. He may not agree with me, but he respects me enough to not say I'm an idiot. Now what he says about me behind my back is another thing......LOL just kidding.

  • July 19, 2010 3:31 PM CST

    jimmy_009 so you only watch smart movies

    by RPLocke

    Your whole collection is all Kubrick, etc with NO action film at all? I find that hard to believe.

  • July 19, 2010 4:01 PM CST

    saw it and can someone explain the plot to me please

    by JackGraham

    was the whole movie cobbs dream?

  • July 19, 2010 4:03 PM CST

    Jack

    by MattmanReturns

    http://tinyurl.com/3aay5gl

  • July 19, 2010 4:18 PM CST

    Why was Transformers 4 hours long

    by RPLocke

    Why do I go see movies at midnight and get home when the fucking sun comes up?

  • July 19, 2010 4:24 PM CST

    Jack

    by AntoniusBloc

    No

  • July 19, 2010 4:25 PM CST

    There is the Possiblity

    by BoopyBeepy

    That Inception is just a boring movie.Juno created the fourth level dream world based on playing the snow levels from the Modern Warfare 2. I was expecting to get my fucking mind blown away by this movie. So My expectations were probably too high. Nolan does bland seriousness on an epic scale. The plot uncompelling. Cobb trying to make it home to his kids. Cobb trying to let go of mal. Fischer making peace with his dead father. Sounds a bit like some of the shitty themes from the LOST finale. None of those storylines payed off in an interesting way. Richie rich Fischer and his stupid pinwheel picture. His Over the top angry old man father, silly. Mal dropping in to kill Fischer and Cobb not taking the shot, silly. Explain that shittiness. So hacky the way she dropped in there, when 2 minutes earlier Juno is warning Cobb about Mal. It's like Nolan thought his audience was too stupid to remember that Mal fucks with Cobbs dream world. Too much explaining shit in this movie.This movie doesn't let you think, it just makes you pay attention. And what I was paying attention to ended up being a very basic and not mind blowing movie. A van falls for an hour, Arthur tumbling in midair for an hour, Cobb stuck looking into Mals eyes for an hour, Asian business man shot for an hour, Juno playing therapist/cheerleader for Cobb, Eames doing nothing. This is what makes up Inception.

  • July 19, 2010 4:48 PM CST

    Penrose stairs

    by AntoniusBloc

    That was a great payoff to the earlier set up, but I admit, the film needed more such pay offs. The architect is shown to have great power to create, even during the dream, despite the dangers, could have used more pay off there in terms of incorporating it into the action. Interesting he uses Penrose's illusion, considering the discusiion above that breaking down the time in a dream to an exact mathematical formla is hard to accept. Penrose doesn't believe the mind is algorithmic, not only making dream creation impossible, but also articifical intelligence, and th e idea that the maind is simply mathematical data that can be 'stored' and 'transferred" the premise of other films like Avatar and the Matrix. But hard to be critical of that since we simmply must accept the premise of the story teller and accept the rules established in the story, but the storyteller must do it clearly and effectively. Since it was established that early levels are essentially created by the architect, the lack of surrealness in the dreams didn't bother me, but that lack, and lack of danger and unpredictability in limbo did bother me a little. I think on the heist level and dramatic level, with good performances helping, the story works, i disagree with Boopy there. When you don't overthink the ending, it is a great dramatic ending, as many have already stated, Cobb is cured, he doesn't need the totem, the ultimate measure of reality were the two complex human beings who he loved, his children. Cobb didn't hesitate.

  • July 19, 2010 6:30 PM CST

    Still wrapped up in this movie

    by Kammich

    this movie has definitely stuck with me, something that none of Nolan's prior work was able to accomplish. but i'm sitting here, 3 days after seeing the film, listening to the OST I purchased and reading the prequel comic. my dad and I are both off of work tomorrow, and he hasn't yet seen it, so I'm lobbying him to catch an afternoon IMAX showing with me tomorrow. fingers crossed, cause I know my pops would love this flick.

  • July 19, 2010 7:20 PM CST

    Nolan's next film...

    by PhxMonsterGuy

    ...will be 2 1/2 hours of him pinching off a big Taco Bell turd because he knows all the fan boys will writhe in pleasure at how incredible/insightful/brilliant it is (and don't think you're being witty by saying it would be better than most of what Hollywood puts out. I won't argue with you on that point). What I will argue with is the incredible hype and outrageous accolades this film is getting. Just saw it today and was bored then angry. Angry that I had bought the hype and had hoped for more originality and a plot that somehow made sense. I expected more. For me, easily the biggest disappointment so far this summer. Nolan needs to watch Memento again and remind himself how to dazzle, confound and be original.

  • July 19, 2010 8:53 PM CST

    GeneralJSJackson

    by jimmy_009

    Are you a pedophile or something? You seem to be obsessed with sexual acts with young boys. I'm not joking, you're kind of creepy.

  • July 19, 2010 9:19 PM CST

    And you fail in every aspect of life and the Internet

    by jimmy_009

    When in doubt just revel in your idiocy. I guess you can't be a pedophile because you're a fucking child.

  • July 20, 2010 12:49 AM CST

    liked it a lot,

    by frank cotton

    but would have liked it better at around 2 hours. ELLEN PAGE's mouth is mesmerizing

  • July 20, 2010 1:13 AM CST

    I hear DeCaprio's next project will be about

    by RPLocke

    Sigmund Freud.

  • July 20, 2010 1:48 AM CST

    Tom Hardy as Bilbo

    by AntoniusBloc

    Doesn't Harry have PJ's number? Call him and tell him , Tom Hardy as Bilbo

  • July 20, 2010 2:13 AM CST

    William S. Burroughs: On Dreams

    by Voyageur

    If anyone's interested in what Burroughs had to say about dreams, check out one of my favorite lectures from him, in which he talks about dreams at Naropa University: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_4KJkqmIBY Some of the ideas that he proposes in this lecture are really fascinating. Also, I saw "Inception" again and caught a reference to Dante's Divine Comedy. If you've read my criticism above, you probably notice how I hold Dante's work in high esteem as far as dream narrative is concerned. Well, Dom Cobb, toward the end of the movie, when he's talking to Mal, calls her "a shade of my wife" or something to that effect. Well, Dante called a lot of the condemned spirits in Hell 'shades'. I thought it was a great little nugget. The only reason I really caught it is because I've been using the word to describe these specters that appear in a story I'm writing.

  • July 20, 2010 2:40 AM CST

    Interesting Voyageur

    by AntoniusBloc

    referring to the Dante reference. There is also the use of the word 'limbo' as well. It would have been fascinationg, although perhaps adding more complexity to an already complex story, to have a supernatural element, at least something more mysterious. The sub-conscious is referenced in the Exorcist, especially throughout the book by Blatty, because for the religious it is essentially a doorway into the spiritual realm where powers we don't understand exist, and in the movie, it is explained that when people deal with the occult, seyances, ouiji boards, and even hypnosis, you surrender your free will, and open a door to the mysterious realm of the subconscious where spiritual forces exist which are not benign, making one vulnerable to demonic possession, sometimes wrongly diagnosed as insanity.

  • July 20, 2010 2:58 AM CST

    Interesting movie but not a great one

    by jawsfan

    Turns out "inceptions" are real. Someone either from the studio's marketing department or on the Internet slipped the idea that "Inception" was a great movie into your mind while you were asleep. Now you believe it as if it were true and you came to that conclusion all by yourself. The truth may be different, however.

  • July 20, 2010 4:13 AM CST

    jimmy_009 is a melester

    by RoosterBooster71

    He is sexually assaulting the head geek's nephew.

  • July 20, 2010 5:43 AM CST

    my favourite film

    by Cobra--Kai

    My favourite film is the Goonies

  • July 20, 2010 5:43 AM CST

    my favourite film

    by Cobra--Kai

    My favourite film is the Goonies

  • July 20, 2010 6:12 AM CST

    Tom Hardy from BRONSON as Bilbo

    by AsimovLives

    Imagine that.

  • July 20, 2010 6:16 AM CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    "Asimov attacks me all the time"

    Awww!! I didn't realised i was hurting your feelings. My bad. Here, there's a an Haagen-Dasz bucket for you, no hard feelings! There's no problems in the world that a few spoon-fulls of Haagen-Dasz doesn't alliviate.

  • July 20, 2010 6:28 AM CST

    riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    by AsimovLives

    No, movies are not life. I got the point. I have a long time ago. But nothing prevents you form having passion about the stuff you love, does it? Or you go about the movies with the same emotional detatchment you have when you order a burger in some fast-food joint? You know what i think is strange? You know what i think is really strange? somebody claiming to be a move geek, to post here and go limp-wristed about the movies they watch, and then have the gall to pass their amorphous disinterest as a ballanced view. Nonsense!

  • July 20, 2010 6:33 AM CST

    blakindigo

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the advice.

  • July 20, 2010 6:36 AM CST

    I saw this Saturday night.

    by TheManWhoCan

    Enjoyed it a lot (while watching it) except for the tedious Hollywood snow mobile/skiing henchmen bit. When I left the cinema, immediately after getting clear of the cinemas sound system and end credit music, (brilliant music score btw) the spell was lifted! And my mind seemed flooded with the movies huge plot holes and Hollywood clichés. By the time I had gotten to my car (2 minutes later) my mood had changed from post satisfying movie experience to “hang on?” ”That was rubbish”.

    I’m not going to list the things I found wrong with the movie. There are plenty of people on this old talkback who have intelligently pointed out the flaws already. But I just have to point out the one huge issue that spoiled the whole movie (for me at least) *spoilers btw* The heist team’s questionable ethics. Allow me to explain

    Everyone in this movie was a baddie, except (ironically) for Cillian Murphy! Cobb: mind thief who broke his wife’s brain, screwing with things he didn’t understand (inception), instead of learning his lesson and seeing the error of his ways goes ahead and fucks another innocent mans mind just because of the whole “ive got kids, so anything I do is okay,” moral justification gymnastics! Also he explains the fatal risks of the heist to his team, after the point of no return, ASSHOLE

    Arthur: Arthur and Cobb watch their former architect get dragged away from Ken Watanabes helicopter to be presumably killed off screen, without voicing any real objections, Nice guys! THEN accept a job from said Gangster in turn for money/quashing outstanding U.S. charges. Ken Watanabe: A FUCKING GANSTER! Come on! A Legitimate businessman concerned about energy monopolies? Who can instantly quash United States criminal laws with a phone call? Were supposed to just accept this? Why? Because he shites on about “taking a leap of faith”? Because he’s seems honourable and Asian? This to be seems very patronising to me. At one point I thought Cobb would double-cross him in the climax, when he grew a conscience. But alas no “MY KIDS MY KIDS MY KIDS waa waaaa fuck everyone else”.

    Cillian Murphy: poor bastard, what can I say! I felt more sorry for him then I did Cobbs wife!

    I really thought Cobb would be the bigger man and accept the bed he made for himself. What an asshole!.

    I watched Dreamscape again last night! Dated to all fuck now but a far more rewarding experience, Plus! It has stop motion animation!! Which I’m sure everyone would agree is one of the coolest things ever!!

  • July 20, 2010 6:56 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    Intruder on my keyboard! My fave movie is definitely *not* THE GOONIES..

    TheManWhoCan, yes they are all 'baddies'. This is a 'criminals plan an elaborate heist' movie donchaknow.

    I also thought Cillian Murphy's character became quite sympathetic. But in the end I like to think that he was the guy who benefitted most from the whole affair. For inside the vault he found the one thing in his life he's always craved. His father's love. Great moment and a fine performance from Cillian.

  • July 20, 2010 7:04 AM CST

    Everything I love about film

    by Jimmy2Times

    I saw this last night, in IMAX, and was blown away, definitely one of the films of the year, and I hope it does shitloads of money, it'll be getting another £12.50 from me on Saturday. Great story, High Concept, and the bird from Juno. What more do you want?? Cold Fusion??!

  • July 20, 2010 7:33 AM CST

    Mattman

    by AsimovLives

    The point is not if you enjoyed Jar Jar Abram's UNBELIEVABLE PIECE OF SHIT TREK. It's not really the point (many people enjoy dumb stupid movies, for reasons unknown). No, the real point is if you mistake that shit for a good movie. That's the thing, and i'm sure you know that as well.

  • July 20, 2010 7:47 AM CST

    Allow me to offer this thought...

    by AsimovLives

    ... which is, if you guys were claiming that JJ Abrams was the new spielberg on account of only his Star trek movie (and you were serious about this), then i think Christopher Nolan has more then earned the right to be called the new Kubrick, such claim from many has solid foundations.

    And me, what i think about that? Well, i don't think that Christopher Nolan is the new Kubrick. I think that Christopher Nolan is the new Christopher Nolan. I can't give a filmmaker a higher praise then to say he is his own man. No new whoever, but his own man on his own right.

    That's what i think about the matter.

  • July 20, 2010 7:53 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    Christopher Nolan is the new Christopher Nolan?

    Asi, that's deep. But tell us what you thought about INCEPTION? How'd u rate it against Nolan's previous?

  • July 20, 2010 7:55 AM CST

    riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    by AsimovLives

    You know why i don't on the middle ground stuff? Because, really, what's there to coment about? Why nshould i coment about unremarkable, beije movies? Who cares about that? Only the very good or the very bad can stir passions. You are naive and know nothing of me if you think i only see stuff in black and white, which, in truth, i don't at all. The vast majority of europeans, like me, don't see things in a manicheist fashion. But if we are talking about movies, why should i bother to coment about dull average stuff? What's the interest in that? Good or bad stuff, that's what's interesting. And if my passionate ways offend you, that's your problem. Sorry, but that's how it is.

  • July 20, 2010 8:00 AM CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    "Asi, that's deep."

    Apparenly, it must be. Because people are always harping about how this and that director is the new this and that.

    As for INCEPTION, going to see it July 22th (this thursday), which is the release date in my country. In here, movies are released on thursday, with exceptional cases, the latest being *gasp* the new Twilight movie *gasp*, for fuck's sakes!

  • July 20, 2010 8:26 AM CST

    jimmy_009, MattmanReturns and rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    Allow me to add my agreement to what you have said about repeating value of movies. I do think that any good movie allows repeating viewing. I think this is true to all good movies. If there's a good movie i don't rewatch, it has to be because it caused a great emotional impact of a very depressing nature that even gloomy me can't handle in a short time. Case in point, the french horror movie MARTYRS. Anybody who can watch that movie twice in the space of 3 months has my undying respect and admiration.

    Now, back to the subject at hand, i have found that all of nolan's last 3 movies i have seen, BATMAN BEGINS, THE PRESTIGE and THE DARK KNIGHT to have lots of repeat viewing value, and more, each time i rewatch them the better they get and the more i like them. This doesn't happen often, and is one of the major reasons why, this far, i think so highly of Nolan. I would even dare say that Nolan makes movies deliberatly to be seen more then once, even his popcorn commercial stuff like the Batman movies.

  • July 20, 2010 8:38 AM CST

    PhxMonsterGuy

    by AsimovLives

    Don't be daft.

    And you think that for Nolan to evolve is to back to his MEMENTO days and do it all alike that again? Can't you see the contradiction of your own statement? Dude, really, don't be daft!

  • July 20, 2010 8:39 AM CST

    M Night must burn Nolan in effigy every day

    by bah

    Memento, Prestige, and this are the movies MNS wishes he could make. He probably wanted Airbender to be his Batman.

  • July 20, 2010 8:42 AM CST

    Evolving by going backwards

    by AsimovLives

    Sometimes i think people have a poor understanding of the whole concept of "evolving". Evolving backwards, good christ!!

  • July 20, 2010 8:45 AM CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by TheManWhoCan

    i see your point but the team didnt give a shit about Murphys daddy issues, it was just a means to an end for their own greed and Ken Watanabes benefit. To me, it is like some asshole “psychic medium” John Edward's type telling a bunch of horseshit to “comfort” grieving relatives. Who the fuck is he (and those like him) to decide what’s best for someone? Most baddie heist movies have bunch of baddies fuck over a far worse baddie, making the baddies in contrast seem good. To me, the real villain was Watanabe. We saw him feed a man to the wolves early on for fucks sake. I was waiting for the team to question his bullshit motivations and do the right thing but it never happened, so I had to just try and accept the original premise and take Watanabe on his word in order to get behind the team.

    “Leap of faith” my ass! Cobbs kids would have been better of without him and the company he keeps. As for the last shot spinny top thing? I believe it was done to spark debate on whether or not it was all real or not and subtract attention away from the movies many flaws. Bravo Nolan! you fooled Capone at least!! But not me!

    Inception is a good movie, but it’s not the masterpiece every reviewer is bleating on about (this site and everywhere else). Which I stupidly believed, and had my hopes set unrealistically high.

    Is it worth a watch? Sure. Is it imperative to watch twice like Capone says? Not by any means. theres nothing to get that you haven’t seen already. Unless you have a memory problem, like that guy from Memento (better movie btw). Or as thick as pig shit in a bottle!

  • July 20, 2010 8:49 AM CST

    bah

    by AsimovLives

    I think many filmmakers want and aim to have their own Batman-like franchise to play with. It's the closest thing to a regular income job a filmmaker can have outside of TV work. It's their sure thing.

  • July 20, 2010 9:09 AM CST

    Asmiov

    by bah

    Sure. But seeing Nolan get his probably makes it sting all the more. It may all be in my head, but MNS has started to look to me like a poor-man's Nolan (and I say this despite thinking Unbreakable is better than Batman Begins), and I've begun projecting that idea onto him.

  • July 20, 2010 9:12 AM CST

    No

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, if you haven't seen it yet then stop cruising the sidewalks of Spoiler City! For your own sake, come back on Friday.

    ManWhoCan, I think the 'villain' role was actually DiCaprio's wife. Unconventional choice of course, but I think she's the closest thing this film had to a traditional villain.

    Watanabe was a sorta villain and he did sorta suffer, but his part in the movie was really to set the Inception in motion.

    I see what you mean about the psychic medium comparison. But ultimately the script was very clear that what DiCaprio and his team were doing to Cillian Murphy wasn't legal. But the consolation prize was that Cillian believed his father loved him, and for a man that has everything that was something that money couldn't buy.

    As far as Cobbs kids being better off without him - that's not what this story is about. It ends before we know whether he'd make a good father or not. I certainly *felt* that DiCaprio would never go back into the dream world again at the end tho. So I think the presumption is that he'd dedicate himself to a simple life of raising his children.

    Y'know I took the film for what it is and I really enjoyed it. As you say, when you have your hopes 'unrealistically high' then that's not the best place to start from.

  • July 20, 2010 9:14 AM CST

    ManWhoCan - you nailed it

    by smudgewhat

    the audience is meant to think of Cobb as the 'hero' (b/c he is clearly not playing it as anti-hero) and instead Cobb is just a self-absorbed asshole with no ethics who got his own wife killed and then learned jack shit from the experience. this movie is actually even stupider than i first thought.

  • July 20, 2010 9:16 AM CST

    bah

    by AsimovLives

    If there's anybody who must be burning ephigies of Nolan is probably Darren Aronoski, because before Nolan, he was the director attatched to a Batman reboot. But Aronoski's ideas were so outlandish and unbatman-like that he was eventually removed from the franchise and Nolan got the job and the reest is history. But Arooski should be too upset about it, because form that he moved to THE FOUNTAIN where he met his now wife Rachael Weisz, and there's no way any man on Earth would consider being married to her a bad thing at all. Good things can came from bad things.

  • July 20, 2010 9:17 AM CST

    PS - i loved Memento

    by smudgewhat

    so i'm not a blind Nolan hater. i'm just an independent thinker.

  • July 20, 2010 9:18 AM CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    My ninja skills are great and i have been very sucessful in detecting and avoiding spoiler posts. Years of practice, my friend.

  • July 20, 2010 9:26 AM CST

    smudgewhat

    by AsimovLives

    Do independent observers dislike good movies? And you think ony of us here who like Nolan's movies have any direct affiliation to the guy? Really, that "independent observer" nomeclature you gave yourself is kinda daft, pardon me saying so. You know what you are? You are like everybody else in here, a movie geek who loves to watch and chat about movies. And you are a fan of some filmmaker or filmmakers, that goes with the territory.

  • July 20, 2010 9:31 AM CST

    Asimov - i think that group dynamics

    by smudgewhat

    are pretty powerful. the hype on this puppy probably influenced some people to think they liked it before they even saw it. i can't explain an 84% favorable on rotten tomatoes any other way b/c this thing is so devoid of humanity that i'm shocked it's getting a free pass from most peeps here. so i chalk that up to herd mentality. sorry if that makes me sound above it. just my take.

  • July 20, 2010 9:36 AM CST

    Trek starts filming is Jan and Abrams is back!

    by The Founder

    Can't wait

  • July 20, 2010 9:46 AM CST

    Aimov/Smudgewhat

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    Damn straight about Rachel Weisz. And as far as some being influenced, I can agree with that. But one thing I really loved about Inception is that, for me, it's not a one-twist pony, so to speak. Hell, I can't get enough of that hall-fight, for instance. Granted, that does not a good movie make, but I like that it can be, to me, enjoyed on the heist-level. Assembling the team and all that. And like Darko, I can sit and get into the womb-effect of it all. But that's what I like as it is a rare thing. And Cobb acted selfishly, but who hasn't/doesn't when it comes to something we want? Lol, and it's probably better to NOT tell everyone it's a masterpiece as that could influence people to find fault where they might not have. (Heh, you WILL love this movie! "Oh, we'll just see about that! I'm the cool dissenter!") I mean in general, not to you smudgewhat, as you give reasons to your opinion. For whatever the hell all this typing has been worth!

  • July 20, 2010 9:50 AM CST

    My totem would be an orgasm, of course,

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    were I in a dream, I'd never get anything done.

  • July 20, 2010 10:13 AM CST

    smudgewhat

    by AsimovLives

    Can i also invoke herd mentality to explain why the fuck that Jar Jar Fucking Abram's MISERABLE RETARD HORRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT TREK fucking movie got such high acceptance and an even higher Rotten Tomatoes rating? Can I? Can I?

  • July 20, 2010 10:17 AM CST

    The Inception

    by VanIdicus

    You were the subject of the inception. A single idea was planted in your mind at the beginning of the movie, and Nolan layered on the details. It worked as plan because like it or not here you are talking about it.

  • July 20, 2010 10:37 AM CST

    Brainstorm (spoilers - sort of)

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    Love that movie, too. I mean, to record dreams, memories, even the death experience, how cool is that?

  • July 20, 2010 10:43 AM CST

    AsimovLives

    by robamenta

    I congratulate you on your passion for your continued critique of JJ's Star Trek. I'm sure you put up with a lot of crap to defend your opinion. I like how you do so without resorting to personal attacks, like so many do on this site. And is the main reason I don't contribute more to the talk backs on here...star trek was a total piece of crap. And am still in shock over how well received it was. carry on bro, cause 'Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It.'

  • July 20, 2010 10:43 AM CST

    AsimovLives

    by robamenta

    I congratulate you on your passion for your continued critique of JJ's Star Trek. I'm sure you put up with a lot of crap to defend your opinion. I like how you do so without resorting to personal attacks, like so many do on this site. And is the main reason I don't contribute more to the talk backs on here...star trek was a total piece of crap. And am still in shock over how well received it was. carry on bro, cause 'Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It.'

  • July 20, 2010 10:45 AM CST

    VanIdicus

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    I agree. Also, even a movie like Blair Witch, which I don't ever need to see again, I still like the fact that it got people talking beyond the normal, it's awesome/it sucks routine. Let me be more clear, I'm not really a fan of Blair Witch, but there was an intrigue to it. I also love, like with Close Encounters, the marketing, kind of gives you an idea, but not really. I remember feeling fear with the mystery of Encounters (that awesome road poster!). Even if one doesn't like the end result, there was still that buzz before the fact. Now let's just give the WHOLE FUCKING PLOT AWAY IN TRAILER. I'm looking at you, Zemeckis! "I think people like to know all the details." Fuck's sake! (oh, sorry, breathing . . . breathing . . .)

  • July 20, 2010 10:51 AM CST

    Star Trek - my biggest shock

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    was everyone saying it "really is second only to Khan." No . . . no it isn't. But like (I know here comes the flack) Transformers, I have no "problem" with people telling me they love it, but please never try and sell me that it's a well-done movie. Of course, I always use Tombstone to make the point that one can love a movie that has much weakness. I love Tombstone, but I admit, it is too Hollywood and cheesy at times. But it is so much fun to watch Kilmer and Russell. Who doesn't still have Doc's lines in their quote arsenal? (damn, I am posting too much. Oh well, just look for the handle and keep moving.)

  • July 20, 2010 11:08 AM CST

    This is what i meant......

    by Sprinky

    I got a lot of flack by several people in talkbacks when i said that i was dissapointed by Avatar. Stating again that i admire the technical side of things and he certainly pushed the envelope of special effects. Visually stunning but storywise, it wasn't a satisfying experience. I was really bored and i don't say that a lot especially when it happens to be a Cameron movie. Inception proves you can have an intelligent storyline but with a blockbuster feel. James Cameron take notes.

  • July 20, 2010 11:12 AM CST

    thanks smudgewhat and cobra kai

    by TheManWhoCan

    The lesson I’ve taken away from Inception is basically.. Don’t trust the gushing reviews from Capone and Harry- (I conveniently broke my laptop and delayed my Predators review) Knowles. Really? Who are you fooling? And the rest of em!

    yeah I was suckered by Capone’s glowing review. Never again .(till next time..sigh)

    Personally I believe that lies spread by people “for the greater good” or for a person own good is ethically wrong.but thats just me. Nolan seems to have a disturbing reoccurring theme in his movies when it comes to deception, or in Mementos case, self-deception. In the Dark Knight, Alfred burns Rachels note to Bruce. I thought that was a bit of a dick move on his part. In Inception, Team Asshole (what I’m calling the team now) fuck poor Cillian Murphys head, for money, then pat themselves on the back for a job well done (?)

    Anyway, enjoyed the hell out of Dreamscape last night, I re-watched the directors cut of Dark City last year and would highly recommend it for anyone who hasn’t seen it. The 13th floor has been banged about this talkback, I’ve never seen it, but heard its crap. Is it? Concept sounds good?

  • July 20, 2010 11:22 AM CST

    Sprinky/MAnWhoCan (But will he?)

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    I agree with your take on Avatar. As far as dick moves, I like the fact that that is reality. People, in a general sense, do seem to act that way. This is why the world is so fucked-up. Like King once said, "kill them with their love". Will the guy NOT lower the bridge and save his son, or lower it and let the train cross and save the masses? I like to think I'd act the "honorable" way, but who's to say if I would in the same circumstances. That said, you're not wrong what you're saying. NOW GO GET YOUR FUCKING SHINEBOX! (just kidding.)

  • July 20, 2010 11:50 AM CST

    Haunted Memory v. Dreamscape

    by tallsy

    A lot of the criticism seems based around the idea that this movie failed to capture the messiness of dreams, mostly comparing Inception in a negative way to Bunuel's Belle de Jour or Lynch's Mullholand Drive. But I believe that's only one side of the equation. There is also a mechanical side of human psychology which I think Nolan is exploring, i.e. what makes us tick.

    But when I walked out of the theater, the movies that I thought of were the great "haunted memory" movies like Raging Bull and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. And that's my quibble with the movie (which I generally thought was magnificent in its technique). Haunted memory movies rely seemingly upon what "happened" to the the protagonist but is really about who he "is" or what he represents. DiCaprio's character lacks a sense of identity for that to happen.

    If we had been given more of a sense that DiCaprio's character is someone who has to take apart the watch to see how it works, it might have reached "Great Movie" status. In a way, I think it would have been better if JGL's character were the protagonist.

  • July 20, 2010 12:06 PM CST

    tallsy - a good point; however,

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    in this case, I feel his character was meant to be dream-like, no real beginning, as much as the sequences. At least that's what I got. I love the editing, maybe it can be said Nolan might have slipped in the action scenes, is dreamlike in the cuts. Of course, I will admit it might just be me wanting it to seem that way. And I completely respect that Nolan didn't go for the wow-factor that many of us may have been expecting (limbo). I love that this feels like the exact movie he wanted to make. "Oh, have a falling whale appear for no reason!" No, leave that to the Heart of Gold, baby!

  • July 20, 2010 1:39 PM CST

    robamenta

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks. And indeed it's as you say, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The movies are nothing but a clear demonstration and perpectuation of that.

  • July 20, 2010 2:02 PM CST

    sure Asimov you can use that argument

    by smudgewhat

    for the new Trek if you like, although I gotta say I actually really loved it. and i thought i would hate it. i loved Quinto's take on Spock, and found Pine's Kirk credible too. there's a few plot issues but i cared about the CHARACTERS and they were portrayed well by skilled actors (my opinion of course) so i dug it. i didn't particular care for the kirk boy car chase though. it's all just opinions right - we sling poo at the ones we don't like and defend the ones we don't. everybody just needs a bag of reasons ready to back up their poo so to speak. then you can lend credibility to a POV.

  • July 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST

    Question about Escaping Limbo

    by Rerun

    Why did Cobb go back for Saito to save him from limbo? This is one aspect I just didn't understand. I understand that when you die and are under sedation, it's not enough of a kick to wake you up, so you go into limbo, but why didn't they just wake him up in the real world by tipping him over? They made it clear that the sedation would wear off in that instance, so why did Cobb even have to go back in to convince Saito to kill himself?

  • July 20, 2010 2:11 PM CST

    smudgewhat

    by AsimovLives

    You loved JJ Trek and yet you think little of what is been described and acknowlddged as a truly smart movie (INCEPTION). I don't understand you, i really don't. But thanks for allowing me to use the herd mentality, because i sure am going to use it a lot... about JJ Trek. Becasue if ever a movie's fans can be accused of that, it's that movie. Textbook case.

  • July 20, 2010 2:16 PM CST

    you don't have to understand me Asimov

    by smudgewhat

    i still think Inception sucks my ballz. and if i were you then i wouldn't. but since i'm me i'm gonna have to go with what me is telling me.

  • July 20, 2010 2:27 PM CST

    Rerun - real quick

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    Lol, as I am being pulled away. The idea, off the top of my head, is that when in Limbo your actual brain goes into a coma-like state, so a kick up top would not wake you. Only from the inside can this be done, so when in Limbo you are no longer a part of the kick line. You would be a vegetable. Just like, if you missed the kick process, the same thing. Also, when in Limbo your subconscious doesn't remember that you are in a dream, you aren't lucid and don't realize you even need to wake up. So, no one can kick you awake, and you don't remember to wake up. Cobb, who has been there before finds Saito to remind him before he forgets. Also, this is where the totem comes in, as a reminder, "Oh, I'm not actually awake." Sorry, gotta run. I'm sure I screwed up there somewhere. Hope I at least gave you a place to start.

  • July 20, 2010 2:35 PM CST

    God help me

    by rogueleader66

    To deal with talking about Star fucking Trek. The movie came out over a year ago and I can't believe to this day there are still arguments going on about it. The lines are drawn, those who liked it (myself included) like it. Those who hate it (Asimov maybe? LOL) hate it. THAT"S IT there is nothing to discuss. I swear I am just going to start staying away from these fucking TB's if I keep seeing discussions about Trek, it's tired, it's a dead horse that has been beaten so much there is no corpse left to beat. There are more movies we almost ALL hate and they don't get discussed, so god damnit just let it fucking go already...it's shit like this that makes me disappear from this damn site for weeks or months at a time, and that pisses me off because I like coming here and like having discussions with many of the TB'er on here....but fuck I am seriously thinking about going on hiatus again, I am so done with all the fucking Trek discussions.

    Rant over, thank you have a nice day.

  • July 20, 2010 2:48 PM CST

    "A great deal of humour", Capone? Really?

    by bigjeffrey

    Humour moment #1: Eames kicks Arthur's chair when he's leaning back. Humour moment #2: "You must dream a little bigger, darling." Humour is something this movie most certainly did not have! It was 2 and a half hours of mind-numbing seriousness. I wouldn't like to get stuck with Nolan at a party.

  • July 20, 2010 3:06 PM CST

    There was plenty of humor

    by paladinryan

    Ariadne was funny as well, when she 1) Got mad at Leo while making the maze. 2) Got bonked in the head with her first dream (sorry Ellen) 3) First encountered Mal (that's some subconscious you've got there!) There were other funny parts between JGL and Hardy too.

  • July 20, 2010 3:08 PM CST

    And also...

    by paladinryan

    Inception is the first movie I have ever seen in my life that made me think "this is what it must have been like to see Star Wars in the summer of 77." I'm 29.

  • July 20, 2010 3:17 PM CST

    It wasn't "Mind Blowing," but it was f'n brilliant

    by SirGaryColeman

    It doesn't have to be hard to understand to be a good move. Everyone patting themselves on them backs for being "too smart" to have their mind's blown is missing the point of the film. It's entertaining as fuck. I've never seen a movie so deeply entertaining - fun plot, amazing visuals, great music... everything was there and THAT was what made it one of the greatest films of all time.

  • July 20, 2010 3:20 PM CST

    paladinryan

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    Inception makes you realize how rehashed everything from Hollywood is. Even if folks didn't like it as much, at least, thank God, Nolan made something different that is a solid film. As always, some will want to be the dissenters who find reasons why it isn't great. Which is fine, as long as you are honest about it. Lol, the Star Wars prequels taught me that, but in reverse.

  • July 20, 2010 3:24 PM CST

    A_Clockwork_Irony

    by paladinryan

    Every attack on this film by critics and talk backers has made me laugh at the ineptitude and lack of fair play. This is an absolutely perfect film of its kind, not seen in a long long time...in a galaxy far far away.

  • July 20, 2010 3:30 PM CST

    GeneralJSJackson - I agree

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    The Fountain made me feel like I had to see it again. I did and it was just that I thought it too "pretentious" for it's own good. (And I don't mean that in a bad way if that makes sense.) Inception I've seen twice and can't wait to see it again because I just love that ride. (And yeah, any good movie has layering to pick up stuff upon repeat viewings, but if you make it so you HAVE to see something more than once to "get it" on at least a basic level, you have failed as a storyteller.) Make me come back to find little things here and there because I want to, not because I feel I have to. (Am I being redundant?) Someone, give me a Nolan-kick!

  • July 20, 2010 3:33 PM CST

    Amen, paladinyan, amen.

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    (said like Brolin in Goonies, "Long enough, Mikey, long enough.")

  • July 20, 2010 3:58 PM CST

    Oh no doubt on Fountain's imagery.

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    (Rachel being a big part of that - but I digress.) Yeah, talkbacks can be a bitch. Smacktalk is great, but when folks think they are changing the course of life as we know it (on this planet) well, time for me to go.

  • July 20, 2010 4:01 PM CST

    Inception as the Star Wars of our time

    by paladinryan

    Huffington Post agrees: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angella-nazarian/a-flash-of-genius-emincep_b_651726.html

  • July 20, 2010 4:02 PM CST

    The 'villains' are the dying father and Mal

    by AntoniusBloc

    The projection of Mal, that is, created by Cobb's subconscious, is the antagonist, along with the dying father. The audience is supposed to identify, or 'root for' the rest, the protagonists, Cobb obviously the major protagonist. So, i dont get the overly negative value judgements above and how Cillian's character is the only 'good guy'. I don't think we know enough to judge that. If you go by what's in the film, Nolan tried to establish that the dying father is a jerk, and Saito character establishes that his company is a danerous monopoly to the point of becoming its onw 'world power', and if i remember right, convinces the team that if anything this is one major reasons they should do the job. So, perhaps weakly, Nolan does establish high stakes outside of the characters own selfish motivations. At this point, Saito becomes one of the multiple protagonists. The guy he left to the wolves, remember was a traitor, and yes, he did give the option to Cobb to kill im, but all we know is that Saito simply let him go, knowing he had no escape. Now, being a heist film no one is obviously a saint, but characters in these films are supposed to be flawed, and Nolan establishes clearly Cobb is very flawed. I think his journey goes deeper than selfishness as Caine's brief but well acted plea to Cobb, 'come back to reality', Cobb has psychological issues, caused by his time in limbo, along with hsii guilt , etc. Caine is more concerned with his sanity than his legal situation. His desperate mental state is emphasized in the scene at the hotel where he is prepared to shoot himself if the top keeps going, if not suicidal, at least unable to distinguish dream from reality anymmore wtihtout the totem. Looking back it is amost as if in the process of performing inception on his wife, he did it to himself. Some above were criticizing that he didn't shoot Mal, when Ariadne exclaims, 'she not real' he respons 'how do you know?' He hadn't convinced himself yet, until that turning point in limbo when he confesses to Mal what he did to her. Perhaps his guilt clouded his judgement, but he recognized the lack of complexity of his own projections, his own limits, he becomes humbled, but the line between dream and reality become clear again. He didn't need the totem to recognize limbo, but tremember an actual moment in reality with saito. So, he has become worthy of becomeing a father to his kids, in terms of he got his sanity back. Ariadne saw this at that important turn and knew he would make it out. While i have no problem with the mitivation of getting back to one's kids, what Cobb was really trying to save, with Ariadne's help was his own mind. Ariadne was hardly selfish being that helping Cobb do this seemed to be her mjor motivation, despite her fear. Cillian's character, is sympathetic in terms of the relationship with his father, but he did realize that the idea of TRYING to become his father, even if he failed, simply taspiring to that was bad, who knows what he did in that effort in terms of judging how good his character is.

  • July 20, 2010 4:15 PM CST

    Inception as SW?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Not a chance. It isn't even remotely the same type of sci fi, nor does it have the broad appeal.

  • July 20, 2010 4:24 PM CST

    Turd

    by paladinryan

    I wasn't talking about genre, though I think it does have broader appeal than you do. I was talking about the magic of the film, it's power to move, it's revolutionary character. The electric feeling in the theater, the continual sounds of jaws hitting floors. It's creation of a new world to explore. It's also the first masterpiece film for the video game generation.

  • July 20, 2010 4:28 PM CST

    Nolan's best movie.

    by Kneller

    Absolutely incredible. It's been a while since a movie so thoroughly impressed me on every level. I'll be seeing it again.

  • July 20, 2010 4:42 PM CST

    Antonius

    by paladinryan

    Cobb's relationship with Saito and how it develops is an overlooked aspect of the film. I love the dialogue they have about being young men again, keeping their word...very moving. I think Cobb is redeemed by the mission, helped by Ariadne, whose totem is a bishop for a reason...

  • July 20, 2010 4:52 PM CST

    Paladin

    by AntoniusBloc

    I agree, great point about the bishop

  • July 20, 2010 4:54 PM CST

    smudgewhat

    by AsimovLives

    To quote: "Hell is the impossibiliy of reason".

  • July 20, 2010 4:59 PM CST

    rogueleader66

    by AsimovLives

    You know why we souldn't never end duscussing both the bad and the good movies? The answer is simple, and was already said above: "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it". This is also true for movies. If we stop talking about the good movies,and the bad movies, what will happen is that people forget about what made the good movies work, and fall again head on and mindlessly for the bad movies. Again, again and again, because they are not learning, they are doing the "let it go, it's out and over already, it's one year after, who cares, blablabla" thing. Bad movies thrives on people not giving a shit and be passive-accepting. You get my meaning?

  • July 20, 2010 5:04 PM CST

    I would never proclaim myself to be one of the great thinkers

    by slappy jones

    or the smartest man around but I am puzzled at how many folks are confused by the film or claim to stumped by it. People saying they need to see it again because they didn't understand it. The film is pretty straight forward. If you pay attention I cannot fathom being confused at all. it is not the massivew mind bender folks are claiming it is. it is very very very good. Don;t get wrong. I fucking loved it but I think some people are giving it way too much credit. I could see how it could be confusing if it didn't spend the entire first hour explaining every single rule and plot thread in (borderline film ruining) exposition overload. That first hour was touch and go for me. I was liking it but i wanted to shout at the screen. I mean it was getting pretty clunky there as they really went all out to make sure we understand everything that is about to take place. But yeah...anyway...I just think as open to interpretation as the film is as a whole the story it tells on the surface is pretty simple.

  • July 20, 2010 5:04 PM CST

    Lol - I'll keep saying how the prequels sucked!

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    I still think Lucas is/was a genius on some levels, but they must be used to point out how the one world system is breaking down the economies of the hidden dynasties! Oh wait, wrong thread. But the prequels did, still do, and will always, SUCK!

  • english motherfucker, do you speak it? sereiously, it was distracting and I couldn't make out much of what he said.

  • July 20, 2010 7:06 PM CST

    You people are unbelievable!

    by MandrakeRoot

    If this movie was made by anyone but Nolan this talkback would be FULL of haters complaining about how much there is wrong with this movie, just like TDK. What is with these people? Inception will never be a classic movie like Star Wars or Alien or Jaws - even by modern standards it falls short of iconic cinema. Bad movie? No way. Great movie? Not quite. Sure it's a good movie - Nolan is a good filmmaker who's still in his prime, this is to be expected. Especially in a time when a majority of Hollywood movies are utterly AWFUL, or just awfully unexciting/unoriginal (Predators). Even people who seem relatively logical on this site much of the time (AsimovLives) will not even acknowledge a single flaw in his master Christopher Nolans films, as if he, above all other filmmakers, is impervious to flaw. I'm sure some people know I'm an avid James Cameron fan - and I adore all of his films from Terminator to Avatar - but I would never be up my own ass enough to claim that his movies are flawless (though some are truly close). And that includes cinematic gems like Aliens and Terminator that are far superior to anything Nolan has/ or likely ever will direct. I mean people compare Nolan to Kubrick and it just boggles my mind. The dude has made some good movies, so have countless other directors. He's done nothing close to what Kubrick has, or even Cameron (who is nowhere near Kubrick himself, although much closer) has in terms of pushing cinema forward with almost every movie hes made. Get over it! Inception is good, but it is not a masterpiece and it will NOT win Best Picture in any award ceremony, nor will it be a movie were talking about in 10-15 years. Sorry.

  • July 20, 2010 7:39 PM CST

    MandrakeRoot

    by Rupee88

    Yes, well said. People wanted...NEEDED to love this movie, which is why they do right now. In time, some of the logical flaws and plot holes will become more evident to a few more people. But remember many of those lavhishly praising Inception are the same who think the last very average Batman movie was some amazing work of art...you have understand where they are coming from.

  • July 20, 2010 7:41 PM CST

    It could win Best Picture though

    by Rupee88

    If Crash and Million Dollar Baby can win, then Inception sure could.

  • July 20, 2010 7:41 PM CST

    The mandrake could be pinched at the top

    by A_Clockwork_Irony

    to take the shape of a "man". And it has acid-like properties. Aside from that, I loved the movie and will own it and it will be cool to me. (The Apples of Sodom, I believe, is what some ancient people referred to for mandrakes.) Lol, none of that is against you Mandrake, I was just explaining mandrake root to someone the other day.I like Nolan just like I like Kubrick. I am happy to have both of them to enjoy. Keep in mind also that Kubrick was around when EVERYTHING wasn't possible because of the curse of CGI. Art from adversity rules. Nolan is no more perfect than anyone else, but it's a new release and it's got me happy to go to the theatre for the first time this year, so I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Your points are valid, I just think a lot of us are enjoying the rush. Huzzah!

  • July 20, 2010 7:44 PM CST

    BoopyBeepy

    by Rupee88

    damn even better well said..glad I am not living in Bizarro world quite yet.

  • July 20, 2010 7:59 PM CST

    It's all a dream in Alfred's mind in TDK

    by CountryBoy

  • July 20, 2010 9:40 PM CST

    On the subject of multiple viewings

    by manley

    The suggestion that a movie/book/art needs to be absolutely understood on the first viewing/reading really seems pretty ignorant to me. What do you make of Finnegans Wake or Moby Dick or Mullholland Dr. The best stories in my mind are the ones that force you to dig deep to search for meaning. This is why critics and scholars spend years on a single text or film. Sometimes (certainly not most of the time) the artist really has done that good of a job. One of the most amazing things about Inception in my mind is how well it works on the first viewing. Someone posted above how they didn't understand why people didn't "get it" in the first viewing. My guess is that they did, and more. This is the reason that they are going back and digging in. Because after the fun of that first run through the zero-gravity fights and the crumbling cities, people are starting to think there was something going on a little deeper. I have come across 7 different possible readings of Inception since I have seen it and started scanning articles around the internet. Some of these carry a lot of weight. Some, not so much. But it says a lot about the film that people are putting in the time dig. If you want easy, keep praying Stephanie Myers and Michael Bay will collaborate. "All good things come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy."

  • July 20, 2010 10:00 PM CST

    For the record

    by paladinryan

    I think Inception blows TDK away. Inception will surely be a movie we talk about 10-15 years from now. Just you watch. Packed theater tonight.

  • July 20, 2010 11:24 PM CST

    Was the top really even his totem?

    by Dreamfasting

    The way my subconscious assembles the story, that the faces of his children were his real totem. The top was not his totem, it was his wife's - a symbol of her confusion over reality. The final scene asks the viewer to choose between focusing on the children or focusing on the top.

    ( on that note, I'm off to sleep on it - I'm expecting some interesting dreams tonight :) )

  • July 20, 2010 11:25 PM CST

    NOLAN HAS SHOWN US THAT THERE IS HOPE FOR HOLLYWOOD

    by J-Dizzle

    For fuck's sakes! He is fucking genius! Yes, I know this may be too much love for Nolan. I know this may piss off the haters even more, BUT FUCK EM! Nolan is the fucking man!

    JJ, Spielberg, Cameron, Scorsese can all fuck off!
    NOLAN IS THE NEW KING!

  • July 20, 2010 11:28 PM CST

    DREAMFASTING - MAJOR SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN

    by J-Dizzle

    Are you sure that his kid's faces were his totem? There was a point during his final confrontation with

  • July 20, 2010 11:32 PM CST

    DREAMFASTING - MAJOR SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T WATCHED

    by J-Dizzle

    Are you sure that his kids' faces were his totem? There was a point during his final confrontation with his wife where it looked like he would see their faces, but he moved away at the last second for fear that he would get sucked in.

    Furthermore, there were several times throughout the movie where the top did stop spinning normally. His kids, faceless or not, were just as much a part of his dreams as his wife was.

    Remember, he struggled giving up on his wife AND his kids. But even though he let go of his wife, he never let go of his kids. If he can't let go, how can he tell what's real and what isn't?

  • July 20, 2010 11:41 PM CST

    ending speculation

    by Dreamfasting

    Sorry about the ending spoilers - it's definitely a melt-your-brain movie (in a good way) and a few hours after seeing it, I'm still not entirely sure if even watching the whole thing qualifies as a spoiler.

  • July 21, 2010 12:07 AM CST

    'Twas truly awesome.

    by jackofhearts29

    It sets a new bar for action, psychological thriller, and sci-fi films.

  • July 21, 2010 8:46 AM CST

    Dreamfasting

    by manley

    The top was his totem. Early in the film we see him pick up his gun and spin the top. When the top falls we see him place the gun down. We can only assume that had the top fallen he would have killed himself to wake up. Also when he is in the Chemists basement after testing the sedative he rushes to the bathroom and splashes water on his face and spins the top in a panic before being interupted.

  • July 21, 2010 9:21 AM CST

    I really liked the movie, but have no desire to see it again.

    by Coughlins Laws

    In fact, Nolan has a way of making great movies that aren't that rewatchable. Other than Batman Begins, I've loved every movie he's made that I've seen (Memento through this) and for some reason, Batman Begins is the only movie I like to rewatch (well, at least the first hour). I thought The Dark Knight was outstanding, but now that I have it on DVD, I never watch it. I've never rewatched The Prestige, and Insomnia is great for the first 2/3rds, but then gets cliche. Maybe he just makes his movies TOO dense. It's such an emotional investment to watch them, that once you know how it all falls together, there's no need to go through it again...

  • July 21, 2010 11:57 AM CST

    after sleeping on it ...

    by Dreamfasting

    I'm convinced that I've witnessed one of the most artistically creative ways I've ever seen to shout "Get a Life!" at an audience.

  • July 21, 2010 1:43 PM CST

    Manley...

    by Francis Begbie

    That's a good point though, the top was his Totem, but now that I think back, he never really got to spin it in that scene, he started to but someone walked in and it fell or he hit it before it really started to spin and it fell on the ground, which makes me think maybe he didn't wake up in the basement? Just a thought.

    I'm still not sure what I think is him dreaming or real life. When I left the theater I was sure he wasn't dreaming but a lot of you guys make valid points for either.

  • July 21, 2010 1:51 PM CST

    [MAJOR SPOILER] Who was really dreaming?

    by JJWonderboy

    Forget the obvious questions; was Cobb dreaming, was he awake at the end, etc. Take a step back and look at it again. Guys, Nolan is playing with us all. It wasn’t Cobb dreaming for the entire movie. It was us. See, in truth, the entire movie WAS the inception. One big setup whose aim was to plant the seeds of an idea, and that’s exactly what Nolan has done. But not into Fischers mind... into ours. The idea? That movies give people the power to dream.

  • July 21, 2010 2:52 PM CST

    Some questions re logic. Maybe AxeEmAll et al can help?

    by TBYITBSITBH

    ***SPOILERS***

    Sorry, this will be long

    Some stuff I don't get. Either they're plot-holes, or I'm wrong, or they're reason to believe the whole movie was a dream after all

    1) So Ariadne and Cilian Murphy's character leave the fourth-level dream-state at the end by falling...which provides the 'kick' which wakes them up. But I thought the 'kick' had to occur on the level BELOW that which the person is dreaming on. i.e. in order to kick a person out of a stage 1 dream, that persons' real physical body must be tipped over in reality (level '0') (as they showed during 'training'.) Once in a level 2 dream, the kick must occur in the level 1 dream. In a level 3 dream, the kick must occur in the level 2 dream. In a level four dream, the kick must occur on level 3 - NOT on the fourth level itself; if throwing oneself off a building in the dream-state is enuf to wake u up back in the below dreamstate, why can't any of the dreamers at any point simply do that in order to wake up? ie why is a kick even necessary? Unless that fourth level operated differently because it was, as AxeEmAll put it, 'pure subconscious', maybe. Am I wrong or missing something?

    2) The spinning top. The spinning top is not actually a very good example of an elegant solution to the problem of whether or not you're dreaming. The idea as I understood it is this: you create an object which has certain odd properties in that it will behave UNLIKE how you would expect it to in reality, and in a way known onely to oneself. I.E, the loaded die will always land with a certain no. facing up, and only the guy who created it knows which no. that should be. However the spinning top is actually sort of the opposite of this: if Cobb is in a dream, it will keep spinning forever. If he's in reality, naturally it will fall over. The problem is that somebody architecting a dreamworld will naturally create the physics of that world to MIMIC reality - if you were creating a dream for the guy with the die, you would create a world that mimicked reality, he'd throw his die, it wouldn't be loaded right, and he'd know. If you created a dreamworld for Cobb, you'd mimic reality, he'd try the spinning top, and it would topple - NOT keep spinning. The spinning top is the OPPOSITE of the die. I understand that it worked originally in showing Mal that the dreamworld cldnt be reality because it was showing her something that should have been impossible, but in an architected dreamworld there's no reason I can see that it would keep spinning, at least not NECESSARILY. So I thought it was a flawed solution. Does that make sense?

    3) The guy who ends up implanting the idea in Fischer's head, ie the dream-father...how did the Ariadne create him? Earlier on they show very clearly that in order to have a human being interact with the dreamer, somebody has to embody that person, which is why Eames impersonates the other guy who is being 'tortured'. If she DIDN'T create/present the dream-father, if he was a projection of Fischer's subconscious, then how could they know for sure that he (the father) was going to say what they wanted him to say? I thought he was going to find the documents in the safe, and THAT was how they were implanting the idea, but instead it came from the father - who as I've just said, was either a) orchestrated by the team, which i didnt think was possible, or b) was Fischer's subconscious talking to him and he must've ALREADY - lucky for the team - had that idea in mind anyway (granted they'd already planted tiny seeds of that earlier)

    Also, if we're sposed to accept that the totem COULD/may not cease spinning the end...how is it that it could have toppled over perfectly normally in the deeper dream states earlier?

    What do you guys think? Have I made mistakes? Are there counter-arguments? If I'm right on any or all regards, do you think they're logical flaws with the film, or are they arguments that it was all a dream? After all, it sure fits the description of "it's only when you wake up that you realise anything was wrong"

    just saw it, and it's 5:50am, and shldnt have stayed up writing this haha

  • July 21, 2010 4:19 PM CST

    You guys are allowing this talkback to go down?

    by AsimovLives

    I haven't watch the movie yet, for goodness sake! How will i then chat about it afterwards?

  • July 21, 2010 4:29 PM CST

    Hitting the IMAX in about an hour

    by Kammich

    Didn't take much convincing, but my dad and I are going to see the next IMAX showing in about an hour. I love re-visiting a great film, especially with a person who has yet to see it. My dad is a big film fan and introduced me to most of the movies that I covet today, so this is one of those rare opportunities where I get to introduce one to HIM.

  • July 21, 2010 4:41 PM CST

    Kammich

    by AsimovLives

    Have fun you and your dad, friend.

  • July 21, 2010 5:03 PM CST

    TBYITBSITBH

    by manley

    1)Ariadne and Fischer were not giving themselves a Kick, they were killing themselves in limbo just as Cobb and Mal had on the train tracks. I think we are supposed to assume that by this point of the dream the sedative had begun to wear off. 2) The totem works not only because of the spinning, but also because it needs to match a specifical physical characteristic, size texture, weight. This is why we see Ariedne drilling out the bottom of the chess piece she chooses to use as a totem. If someone else were to construct the object in their dream it would not match the actual feel and weight of the totem in reality. The top just works as a good visual cue for the audience. 3) Ariedne did not create the father. He was a projection of Fischers subconcious. They were planting information on every level of the dream in order to lead him to the conclusion. Adriene built the bottem level as a hospital to lead Fischer to fill in the information about the father.

  • July 21, 2010 5:05 PM CST

    Forgive the poor spelling and grammar

    by manley

    My computer at work rruns like shit and I am posting blind.

  • July 21, 2010 8:06 PM CST

    Saw it; warmed over Nolan.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    It's one of those "because we said so" films. It only has an internal logic because the filmmakers say so. It takes the type of plot holes that were in Momento and duplicates them over and over. Nolan's conceit is this: he gives you just enough information--and in the order of his choosing--to keep you from realizing that, if linear, the movie has incredibly poor logic. But that's his gift and he is good at it. He only lets you know what he wants you to know--and that would really destroy this film EXCEPT THAT he chooses to present that information in a clever manner: in the order he chooses that prevents you from putting it all together until much later. It's not even a mystery, because when you realize what has happened, your brain is flooded with all of the reasons it makes no true sense or, in my opinion, drama. That worked great in Momento...but you can't think about it too much because it falls apart when you realize that key things he didn't bother to explain--to us or to himself. Christ, I hope he gets over this movie-by-puzzle kick he's in. It's like early M. Night...once you see how it's done, he really can't go back to the same bag of tricks again...and again...and again. Plus, Leo was totally uninteresting (nice work, though, once again aping Jack Nicholson). I enjoyed watching it all, but it is really a mess. I don't think it will stand up in years to come.

  • July 21, 2010 9:30 PM CST

    Bob

    by manley

    With the exception of the opening sequence and flashbacks, the movie was linear. What the hell are you talking about?

  • July 21, 2010 10:03 PM CST

    TBYITBSITBH

    by paladinryan

    1) The kicks have to be synchronized. That is, when you're falling in one level you have to let yourself fall in the other. Notice that at the beginning Leo gets wet in the dream and in the dream within a dream. When Ariadne takes the kick at the end of the movie, Leo yells at her to take it because Eames is giving it to her by blowing up the supports. So she does. 2) Yes, Fischer's subconscious makes the father. They prep him in the other levels to reach that portrayal. Note the dialogue with Browning about the will. 3) Remember, people like Eames can manipulate the dream, it doesn't matter whose (like when he calls up the grenade launch in Yusef's). If you spin the top then you can make it spin forever in any dream. Eames's totem, by the way is the poker chip--it seems that he can multiply them in a dream.

  • July 21, 2010 10:05 PM CST

    Bob

    by paladinryan

    What key things in Memento didn't he explain? Because I've watched that film backward and forwards and its perfect both ways.

  • July 21, 2010 10:06 PM CST

    Manley

    by TBYITBSITBH

    If that's true, that killing themselves in Limbo was what they did and that that was safe because the sedative had begun to wear off, then the subsequent kicks in the other dream levels were actually unnecessary - Arthur didn't need to tie them up and jolt them in the elevator, they cldve all just died in the er ski chalet and woken up there, then been shot or whatever, woken up in the van, died there and woken up on the plane. I thought when they were discussing how long they were going to be inside the dream, ie ten years, was how long they'd be stuck in there if they had to wait til the effects of the sedative wore off? but then, how DID they plan (and how did they) end up waking up from the level one dream into reality on the plane? was there a kick on the plane setup? sorry I probably just need to see it again

    ok that's true I suppose about the spinning top. But then why does he feel the acute need to spin it to check if he's in reality or not, when he cld just feel it? as the audiences' cue? strikes me as a lil sloppy; oh well

    that's true, you're right I guess - they planted the seed of the idea until in that level of dream his subconscious gave it back to him, ala as they discussed earlier it then seeming to come from himself rather than any external input...

    cheers for your response :)

  • July 21, 2010 10:19 PM CST

    Paladinryan

    by TBYITBSITBH

    ok...gotcha. That makes it make more sense. I think heh. I dunno how I didn't realise that as I was watching - or, to put it another way, how it seemed to make sense to me while watching if i DIDN'T realise that. Except, that scene you use as an example is a bit weird because yes he gets wet in the dream - the kick - as he does in reality - the bathtub - but that's because the reality impinges on the dream; I mean, he didn't need to CREATE a kick deliberately that was synchronized with the fall into the bathtub, the bathtub fall did all the work. I think that's what made me think you just need a kick on a lower level and it'll impinge on the dream and u can ride it out

    Right ok so Cobb, because he can manipulate a dream, ANY dream, can make the spinning top spin indefinitely just provided that he's in a dream...then yeah that works. But then, why need the spinning top, why not simply try to change 'reality' in ANY way shape or form, and if u can, voila you're dreaming? The answer to that may come back to Manley's point about audience cues.

    how did they go from the level 1 dream back to waking up in the plane? DID they have a kick planned on the plane that they cld then synchronise something in the first-level dream? if so how did they know the timing? or did they just shoot themselves because by then the sedative was wearing off, as Manley suggested?

    thanks guys, I really wanna see it again now, I thought I cld follow it pretty easily overall and that I 'got' it all but not so much as I first thought perhaps hah.

  • July 21, 2010 10:59 PM CST

    Asimov Lives

    by SK229

    Laughing at your comment about director's using franchises as a regular income job... so true. You go back every few years to make a Batman or Avatar then back the fucking Brinks truck up to the megavault behind the garage. Not to mention that directors get paid pretty well (what's the minimum on a feature anyway) to begin with, especially if they have one or two hits... then there's the share of the grosses on something like Batman. I read somewhere that Spielberg's share of Jurassic Park was $300 million... and he also gets 2% of all ticket sales from Universal theme parks for his ride consulting services. That's some good bank. If you want to live large and not have to listen to anyone's shit, a successful film franchise is the way to go...

  • July 21, 2010 11:17 PM CST

    I don't think they ever woke up on the plane...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    thst was the last place in 'reality' Cobb remembered...When Japanese guy agreed to fulfill his promise, he created a dreamworld from Cobb's memories and allowed him to escape into it...

    It's why we get that scene twice...

  • July 21, 2010 11:18 PM CST

    yeah you sound like the losers trying to "figure out" Lost

    by Rupee88

    There is no figuring it out. It has flawed internal logic and it's full of plot holes.

  • July 21, 2010 11:22 PM CST

    Kinda like real life, right, Rupee...?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • July 22, 2010 12:04 AM CST

    NORM MACDONALD CASTED AS RIDDLER

    by DeweyOxburger

    ...In a perfect world.

  • July 22, 2010 12:20 AM CST

    DeweyOxburger, in a perfect world

    by MattmanReturns

    you'd learn proper grammar. Unless you were truly implying that Norm MacDonald had a terrible accident and got a green body cast with question marks all over it.

  • July 22, 2010 12:33 AM CST

    Also, First Contact was great because of Ronald Moore

    by MattmanReturns

    Not Braga.

  • July 22, 2010 12:34 AM CST

    Wrong talkback

    by MattmanReturns

  • July 22, 2010 12:35 AM CST

    *cast as riddler

    by DeweyOxburger

    I"M A GODDAMN FOOL

  • July 22, 2010 12:36 AM CST

    *I'M

    by DeweyOxburger

    (gun in mouth)...

  • July 22, 2010 1:20 AM CST

    Rupee88

    by TBYITBSITBH

    well we can't KNOW whether the film necessarily has flawed internal logic or not WITHOUT analysing it like this. I have a lot more faith in Nolan, after Following, Memento, TDK etc, than the guys who wrote Lost and clearly had no clue what was going on and have since admitted such heh. I'm still rather hoping that Inception all makes perfect sense. Nolan is too rigorous a thinker to create a movie of this sort and be sloppy with the logic

  • July 22, 2010 4:32 AM CST

    Well, today is the day

    by AsimovLives

    Today is INCEPTION day for me. A few more hour,s and i'll finally see for myself what al the hoolahop is all about... and if the detractros are truly full of shit.

  • July 22, 2010 4:42 AM CST

    SK229

    by AsimovLives

    Some years ago, the minimum amount of salary to pay a director for a work in s big budget movie was 10,000 bucks. Those were the rules imposed by the Directors Guild of America. Of corus,e those pays only go for newbies. Such as David fincher was when he made ALIEN3. You might think that 10K bucks for a one pay is pretty good money, until you realsie that was the work of 2 years and Fincher had to endure shit from day to day from Fox.

    The thign is, one of the reasons why Studios are so fast in hiring this new guys with limited directing experience for their blockbusters is that exact same reason: they don't have to pay them all that much, and they can get from them much better deals (low to not points, etc). It's also the reason why studios today are very, very reluctant in hiring people like Spielberg. He's jsut too damn expensive and heis no longer the sure fire hit hwe used to be. And this is why he also formed his own studio, so he can hire himself and do package deals with other studios. So, the second best option to get a regular job as a Hollywood director other then getting a franchise is to be your own boss and own a small studio or production house. The 3rd best way is the Mickey Bay way, that is, to kiss ass of a big producer and be their boy, as he first did to Bruckheimer and now with Spielberg.

  • July 22, 2010 6:21 AM CST

    Marion Cotillard is catwoman

    by broken ear

  • July 22, 2010 9:29 AM CST

    'Inception' should be called 'Exposition'

    by Joely_Boy

    ...and Ken Watanabe should give up trying to speak English. His dialogue was the most difficult thing to decipher in the whole movie!

  • July 22, 2010 9:32 AM CST

    While I enjoyed the multi-layered world of Inception

    by Joely_Boy

    it's got nothing on INLAND EMPIRE.

  • July 22, 2010 10:32 AM CST

    Oh so all the nerds hate this movie now?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    That was quick. Still wonder about the mystery of the Harry-Non-Review, and he even told me personally (well, personally in a TB, anyway) that it was because his was dogged out from travelling, but that was a week ago and we had a late Predators review and a lot of Comic Con stuff since. I thought this dude lived for movies? If he didn't like it, he shoulda told us so. (Sorry if I'm going on about it, but mysteries are an obsession for me.)

  • July 22, 2010 10:50 AM CST

    Show... don't tell, Nolan.

    by Joely_Boy

    Show... don't tell.

  • July 22, 2010 11:21 AM CST

    This is where Lynchy-babe succeeds.

    by Joely_Boy

    INLAND EMPIRE has about one fifth of the amount of dialogue as Inception, and yet manages to have about fifty times as much mystery.

  • July 22, 2010 1:09 PM CST

    I just saw INCEPTION

    by AsimovLives

    Now that's a film. a proper film. And anybody who is at least not happy with a lot of what's in the movie, they should just give away their movie geek card and find another hobby, because movies is not for them. Can't wait to watch it again, and i'm certain i'll like it even more.

  • July 22, 2010 1:11 PM CST

    Joely_Boy

    by AsimovLives

    Trying to put down INCEPTION and nolan by bringing up David Lynch up? Not only is that bloody dishonest and malicious, youn are insulting two very good filmmakers at the same time. Give up your movie geek card, you don't need it anymore, on account of total disqualification.

  • July 22, 2010 1:14 PM CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob

    by AsimovLives

    Well, this Nerdo-boys must think they are so cool and street and givign the finger to the man by pissing on a proper good movie, while at the same time most of this jerks sing the praises of the Michael Bay bullshit movies. This nerdo-boys and their desperate atempts at self-entitlement are beyond help. They should try tricot instead, movies is not their deal.

  • July 22, 2010 1:16 PM CST

    tricot = broidery

    by AsimovLives

  • July 22, 2010 1:20 PM CST

    The Impossible Staircase

    by AntoniusBloc

    The Penrose stairs are an illusion. It seems to make sense in two dimensions, but is exposed in three, because in two dimensions a key part of the structure is hidden from view. Nolan, and every filmmaker create illusions. So, addressing the criticism of internal logic, I don’t see where it is, I think he establishes premises that are properly drawn from, but of course you come out of the world of film into the real world, out of two dimensions into three, we understand, you can’t do this with dreams. Now, one can argue how effectively and clearly he establishes the premises, but they seem to be all there, Nolan has shown himself to be too good of a writer. Now, show but don’t tell is kind of the default instruction a screenwriter always must remind himself of, but it is difficult, and especially in a heist film, you can’t convey all exposition visually, although the challenge is to do so. I mean, throughout every talkback someone will measure the value of a film whether or not it gets an Oscar nomination for Best Film, or wins it, but with few exceptions, I rarely see the ‘show..don’t tell’ accomplishment rewarded. Look at the film Apocalypto, Gibson’s character aside, he does film right, telling that story almost completely visually. But the reality also exists that it will depend on the story and genre. But how many films with way too much voice over are praised by the film elites? That’s the worst kind of exposition, and Nolan resisted ‘cheating’ with that method. He uses a lot of exposition but he does try to do it the right way, through dialogue and interaction with characters that move the story forward. My criticism of Nolan in this film is he might have used some dialogue to get just a little deeper into each supporting character, in terms of their motivation, he communicates their contrasting personalities and strengths, but seeing the good performances by this cast, they all deserved a little more depth. That makes the acting by this cast even more impressive is that they communicated a lot with so little, perhaps hiding the film’s weaknesses. One thing this film can’t be criticized for is casting, well, perhaps with the exception of DiCaprio, never was a fan,but I’m warming to him, he was good in the Departed, and it is a business, so can’t fault them there, but great supporting cast. I don’t really remember my point now, gotta get back to work. Oh yeah, Tom Hardy as Bilbo.

  • July 22, 2010 1:33 PM CST

    Nolan and INCEPTION are brillant!

    by Violator90

    INCEPTION was everything we expected and probably more. There is no doubt that Nolan is the Man right now. He’s hitting his stride and is coming up with some great movies. But they are flawed nonetheless. Does that detract from the fact that they are fun? No. INCEPTION is no exception. Is it arguably this year’s best movie? Absolutely yes. If AVATAR was up for best pic I don’t see why INCEPTION; with a much better story, outstanding cast and amazing FX can’t be up for best pic. And with a lot of hacks-cough*Bay*cough-getting some big movies handed to them, Nolan is proving himself so all this “love” for him I think is very much deserved. But when he fails, no doubt I’ll be making fun of him just like any other person, yet I’ll still be rooting for the guy.

    Now comparing Nolan to Kubrick is a bit premature. Nolan still has a long way to go to even come close to Kubrick, but he is definitely on the right path to being one of the best. I think he’s closer to Spielberg at this moment. After THE DARK KNIGHT, I can’t imagine the immense pressure Nolan had to be under. The pressure is on now! Superman is the flip side of Batman, so we will see how he does with that.

    In Nolan we trust.

  • July 22, 2010 2:03 PM CST

    Asimov - Tricot?

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    Broidery? You mean Embroidery. Naw, they wouldn't have the dexterity for that what with all the basement wank sessions to Princess Leia metal bikini posters having destroyed the cartilage in their wrists and fingers. Portugal right? Had a Portuguese girlfriend in college. Portuguese girls and food are awesome. Though most Portuguese-Americans are actually from The Azores and I understand the cuisine is quite different there.

  • July 22, 2010 2:32 PM CST

    Asimov, glad you liked it

    by MattmanReturns

    Nice to finally see a REAL movie this year.

  • July 22, 2010 3:03 PM CST

    Joely_Boy

    by Rupee88

    Ok glad that I'm not the only one who couldn't understand Watanabe half the time. And the movie as a whole did a lot right...it was good but far from brilliant..just played fast and loose with its internal logic. Still beautiful to look at and better than 95% of Hollywood fare.

  • July 22, 2010 3:37 PM CST

    INCEPTION: 2.5 out of 5 stars

    by Monroville

    I think the movie tries too hard to be clever. Yes, the end could mean multiple things: either the whole movie is Cobb's dream (if so, maybe something constructed for him [say by Michael Caine's character, who really is Cobb's doctor] to deal with and give up his memory of his dead wife, with the various characters being facets of his personality or in the case of Ariadne a projection of his children, as she served the attention of his mentoring) or it is what we see at face value.

    Regardless, while I don't have nearly as many problems with plot holes as with THE DARK KNIGHT, there are still a few:

    (1) having had dreams myself, I can understand experiencing vertigo or anything related to visual stimulation, but can anyone attest to actually FEELING pain in a dream? If one was shot by a sniper from behind, how would you know it in a dream? Even if shot, knowing that you will bleed, WILL you still bleed to death, as dreams (good or bad) still revolve around what YOU are aware of. Short of thinking about bleeding to death, Saito would not bleed out. Even so, why would he be coughing and dying in the 3rd dream world, as he was not shot (yes, his 2nd dream world self was, but if you were in the hospital due to gunshot, accident, etc, is Nolan saying that one is incapable of dreaming of themselves as healthy?

    I can understand Cobb (leo) and Mal do not age in their world, as dreams are 100% imagination: it is what we desire or fear. Saito grew old because (a) he was alone, and (b) he was trapped while unaware (or even if he became aware, he didn't care anymore). Cobb and Mal WANTED to live in the dream world, so they retained their youth since they wanted to live forever young. The dream world became a drug that they both became addicted to, with Cobb realizing the danger of not wanting to deal with the realities of the physical world.

    (3) THE MATRIX can get away with "not knowing the difference between the real world and the dream world", as you are plugged into a machine which is sending actual information to your brain, thus all realms of information are covered (sight, sound, touch, general physics such as gravity) and I could believe that if one died in the Matrix, the body in the "real" world would die, as the brain is receiving actual stimulation saying "you are shot". The problem with movies like DREAMSCAPE and INCEPTION is that dreams a definitely not reality.. while I have had dreams that I felt as if they were real (until I woke up), there is still something "Van Goghish" about them, or visually like how NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD was filmed (things half in shadow, details only extending so far, like in a FPS video game). Granted, I understand that the point of the movie was to imagine a realistic world to confuse the target, but as others stated, when Robert Fisher was IN on the dream, why didn't we see him grow a gun out of his arm, or become godzilla sized and smash the compound? As he was breaking into his own subconcious, shouldn't there have been circumstances where the "guards" either miss him all the time or grant him access to the base, as his subconcious would know HE was the master?

    (4) how can you keep a memory imprisoned (unless it was Cobb's guilt coming out once again)?

  • July 22, 2010 3:40 PM CST

    Okay, maybe 3 to 3.5 out of 5

    by Monroville

    SPOILER . . . . . . . . . . Don't want to come across like I wasn't entertained, and I really did love the moment Fischer went into the vault and found the windmill in the safe (and thus the idea of splitting the company was planted).

  • July 22, 2010 3:42 PM CST

    Inception

    by PhilipRaby

    This seems to be one of those films that inspires verbal diarrhea from over-excited fanboys who get hot flushes just thinking about it, and then pour out the contents of their tiny brains enthusing about it, just to show how clever they are. The film is good, but not a masterpiece, a classic or a religious experience. Read http://frontrowfilms.co.uk/cinema-now/the-good/2945-inception for an in depth and more balanced review.

  • July 22, 2010 3:43 PM CST

    One last point

    by Monroville

    Regardless, I felt the movie was pretty good, but while it had some interesting imagery it still felt "limited" in scope, in that it was all wrapped up in epic M.C. Esher imagery without any real purpose other than the obvious maze element. Where were the circular spiral mazes Ariadne create in her first test? Granted, the movie was already 2.5 hours long, but am I to believe that the ONLY problem Cobb has is what happened to his wife? He doesn't have nightmares of his children rejecting him, or he ignored his father or other memories/guilts compounding on top of his wife? If Cobb's memories can subconciously enter into the dream world, what if everyone had some regret, guilt or evil side that subconciously entered into the dream world simultaneously? Anyways, it was okay, but it felt as if Nolan was just trying way too hard to outclever the audience for me. Compare this to JACOB'S LADDER, DONNIE DARKO or even LET'S SCARE JESSICA TO DEATH for "is it all a dream?" plots done fairly decently without trying to be too clever about it.

  • July 22, 2010 4:27 PM CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob

    by AsimovLives

    I meant to say crochet.

  • July 22, 2010 4:30 PM CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    "Nice to finally see a REAL movie this year"

    I know exactly what you mean. It would be impossible for me to not like a movie like INCEPTION. Planing on watching it a 2rd time (this time with the mates), and who knows, maybe even a 3rd time. I really wished i could had seen this movie with some of you guys here, it would had been tonnes of fun.

  • July 22, 2010 4:33 PM CST

    JayLenoTookMyJob

    by AsimovLives

    Portuguese cousine is extremely diversified, and the continental dishes are very different from the azorians. And you are right, most of the portugueses living in the american east coast or Canada are from Azores. And i'm glad you have a positive idea of my country and people. Don't let me make you think differently.

  • July 22, 2010 4:35 PM CST

    Rupee88

    by AsimovLives

    That's why sometimes living in a country that subtitles foreing movies rules. And frankly, for a japanese, i think Wanatabe's english is quite good.

  • July 22, 2010 4:43 PM CST

    Monroville

    by AsimovLives

    The movie doesn't try to be clever, it is clever. That you think it tired is one good indication of why you rate is so poorly. It also shows it went a bit over your head. Truly, what would happen if you watched it again? Are you game for that? Many people have warmed up considerably tro movie which previously didn't though so highly when they first saw it. Happened to me with 2001: A SPACE ODDYSSEY and FELLINI'S 8 1/2. You i know what i mean?

  • July 22, 2010 4:45 PM CST

    "can anyone attest to actually FEELING pain in a dream?"

    by AsimovLives

    Yes. I have a recurring dream of losing teeth by either root or trauma. And it hurts in the dream.

  • July 22, 2010 4:52 PM CST

    PhilipRaby

    by AsimovLives

    Or maybe peope who aren't used to think while watching a movie feel threatned and disconfortable about INCEPTION and fail to understand why people claim it to be the excelent movie that it is. And pretty surely a new masterpiece. If there is a recuring thign among those who disliked or try to undermine INCEPTION is that they give away the image they resent a movie that is as smart as they or even smarter.

  • July 22, 2010 4:54 PM CST

    I think some people have now been so accostumed...

    by AsimovLives

    ... to the notion that entertaiment is inherently made of dumbed down movies, they are serenting a smart movie passing as entertaiment. This is the vibe send by all the negative reviews and opinions of INCEPTION.

  • July 22, 2010 4:57 PM CST

    serenting = resenting

    by AsimovLives

  • July 22, 2010 5:53 PM CST

    Interesting detail about INCEPTION:

    by AsimovLives

    When Cobb is reunited with his kids, they don't seem to have aged a day since he had last seen them in what most certainly had been a few years. It had to been years since he last saw them, for him to gaina reputation in his line of criminal work, that he had met enough people in that line of work to make a network of connections, and that he was very well acquainted with the members of his team and them to him to the point of total mutual trust. It really is peculiar that the kids didn't aged a day since Cobb's running away from USA. Very damn peculiar.

  • July 22, 2010 7:53 PM CST

    we did a Shutter Island double feature

    by Star Hump

    after seeing Inception the other night. Great fun.

  • July 22, 2010 8:30 PM CST

    Yeah I've felt pain in a dream

    by MattmanReturns

    I have some strange fear of being ripped apart by wild dogs, and occasionally my dreams are nice enough to indulge that fear. I've definitely felt pain in those dreams... or at least what my mind interprets as pain (which is all that matters). It sucks.

  • July 22, 2010 9:27 PM CST

    AsimovLives

    by blakindigo

    Yes, it is peculiar indeed. Something to ponder, no?

  • July 23, 2010 12:14 AM CST

    No.

    by Joely_Boy

  • July 23, 2010 12:30 AM CST

    Yeah, I that's a good point, Joely_Boy —

    by blakindigo

    Something to ponder, no?

  • July 23, 2010 12:34 AM CST

    Yes.

    by Joely_Boy

  • July 23, 2010 12:42 AM CST

    Geeks, Geeks Geeks and the problem with them...

    by CarlitoB

    The main problem with geeks being film critics is that they sometime fail so see the true nature of a movie behind their geekness. Let me be the first one to say I am a big Christpher Nolen fan. He is one of the top five directors out there, and has never put out even a mediocre movie. Inception by all means is a great movie. Srong cast, amazing visuals clever plot. Eveything you would expect from a Nolan movie. I just think it missed out on being a great movie like memento, the dark knight or even one of my favorites, the prestiege. Dicaprio is doing the same role, and acting on the same level of his last three movie ( not counting revolutionary road). I would love to know how Nolan directs his actors. It seems he just let them do their thing since he always nails his casting. But I wanted him to bring something different from Dicaprio, he was equelly matched and sometimes overpowered by Gordon Levitt, Hardy, Murphy and Watanabe. In addition, outside of dicaprio's character the rest had only one side to them and no arc over the entire movie. Ellen page's character become invested too fast and too deep to make the whole thing believable, and the entire team felt like comic book characters rather then real ones. Leo's heavy backstory throws the whole thing of balance. I would have rather seen a lighter approach to the entire movie. A great example would be the Martrix. We didn't care where neo came from, we just went along for the ride. The pacing also lost itself, and movie dragged a bit longer then it needed in the end of the third act. That being said, it is still the best movie that came out in this otherwise pitiful summer, and surely one of the most original ones in the past years. Give Nolan the keys to Hollywood and make sure he brings his brother along with him. You will not be disappointed at the results

  • July 23, 2010 12:42 AM CST

    Even though I liked Inception

    by Joely_Boy

    For Christopher Nolan to come even close to the realm of Kubrick's staure, I think he needs to go for more iconic themes, quotes and imagery in his films.

    That way they'll keep his films alive in the public consciousness. The only real iconic-type shot I noticed in Inception was of the dude on the back of the motorbike pulling out the sawn-off shotgun.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Nolan's a clever man, he just needs to go for a more timeless, iconic quality and therefore memorable in the long run.

  • July 23, 2010 12:43 AM CST

    Ugh

    by Joely_Boy

    *stature

  • July 23, 2010 2:43 AM CST

    AntoniusBloc

    by Joely_Boy

    I really liked your post, bro.

  • July 23, 2010 11:07 AM CST

    CarlitoB

    by AsimovLives

    Two things: One, there is more humour in INCEPTION then most give it credit. It is a deadpan type of humour, which it seems many have a probpem with. Second, i quite like that nolan does take his movies pretty seriously and that he gaves them a seriousness that's absent in most other so-called genre and blockbuster movies. It helps not only to seperate his movies from the madding crowd, but it also helps elevate them to heights those rarely achieve.

  • July 23, 2010 11:07 AM CST

    Kubrick is the most overrated Director in the history of the med

    by Coughlins Laws

    His movies do NOT hold up well at all. Have you tried sitting through one of his movies lately? Glaciers move faster. The Shining was good but changed too much of the book. The first half of Full Metal Jacket was great, but the second half of the film was pretty boring. Barry Lyndon is unwatchable. 2001 is completely boring and overrated. Dr. Strangelove was great social satire, but nowhere near the masterpiece people say it is. A Clockwork Orange has great scenes in it, but is somewhat boring and changed the ending of the book. Eyes Wide Shut only got the few good reviews it did because it was Kubrick's last film. I just look at his film catalogue now and can't understand the level of adoration he gets. His films do NOT hold up well at all. I think Nolan, in the last decade, has already outperformed Kubrick.

  • July 23, 2010 11:10 AM CST

    Joely_Boy

    by AsimovLives

    What Kubrick was doing in his time is not too different to what Nolan is doing: picking up on the popular genre movies of the time and making them more cerebral, intelligent and more technically sophisticated and achieved. In that regard, i can understand why people are calling him the new Kubrick, and they do have a point. But in truth, Nolan is not the new Kubrick. Nolan is the new Nolan.

  • July 23, 2010 11:11 AM CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by AsimovLives

    I'm.... speachless!

  • July 23, 2010 11:20 AM CST

    MattmanReturns and blakindigo

    by AsimovLives

    INCEPTIOn has made 100 million dolalrs at the american box office alone this week. 100 millions in one week! Pretty good feat for a non-franchise movie, if you ask me. Thus, wouldn't you guys think that this chat shoud merit be put into the top ten AICN chats? I mean, don't you think there's still lots to be said about the movie? what do you think we could do to put this talkback back at he top?

  • July 23, 2010 12:09 PM CST

    AsimovLives, I'm unfamiliar with the word "speachless"

    by Coughlins Laws

    Did you take spelling lessons from Sarah Palin?

  • July 23, 2010 1:21 PM CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by AsimovLives

    I'm portuguese. What's your excuse?

  • July 23, 2010 1:33 PM CST

    Yes this chat deserves to be placed in the "Hall of Fame"

    by MattmanReturns

    I've never seen so much theorizing, praise, and trolling all in one talkback. It's epic. And yeah, $100 million in a week is sick for a non-franchise film. Very happy for this one, as it deserves it.

  • July 23, 2010 2:35 PM CST

    To put this Talkback on the top? Easy…

    by blakindigo

    Just start shitting on Kubrick. Oh wait—!

  • July 23, 2010 3:27 PM CST

    OHMSS meets ETERNAL SUNSHINE

    by BenBraddock

    Liked the movie a lot. Cute use of "Je ne regret rien" (Cotillard/Piaf).Almost has me digging Leo, finally. Thankyou Nolan & co for a thought provoking blockbuster with an original premise.

  • July 23, 2010 6:30 PM CST

    It's not that I'm shitting on Kubrick, but seriously, is

    by Coughlins Laws

    he REALLY the best director of all time? I tend to go by enjoyable films, not whether the movie is a piece of art or not...

  • July 24, 2010 12:50 AM CST

    AsimovLives

    by Joely_Boy

    Excellent similarity. I think I might go see Inception again soon, but I fear I may murder the next person who checks the time on their Iphone during the movie.

  • July 24, 2010 3:10 PM CST

    Very solid movie 2 questions though

    by DeusMaximus

    Only if you have seen the movie, please do not read if not seen the movie :-) (just to be sure) 1) Ok I get the token, but the whole deal with the token was that nobody was to touch it. Yet Dom has the token from his wife. It is even suggested the token is the deepest secret of the wife that he alters for the inception. I would then move to conclude that reveals it all fake. Combined with the ending shot. 2) I love the movie, but people are going crazy about the depth and such. I appreciated that, but I got it. I mean my buddy didn't get it. I mean this has already been done also with the 13th Floor and other movies. But the movie poses a good question. At the end of the day what do we really know for sure. I believe it was some French philosopher that says that you can't be sure of anything. Think about it. People say you die, but we do not know that is an end for 100% even a thing named a tree would be named different by another civilization. But I digress. Inception was a wonderful movie which I hope to see a number of times. Hooray for original movies that actually show up on the radar of the mainstream audience :-)

  • July 24, 2010 4:32 PM CST

    Joely_Boy, I wholly agree —

    by blakindigo

    is there a way to disable peoples phones during the film? I mean, some kind of EMP that will make those fucking things paperweights? Geezus, that's why I prefer advance screenings, where the studio folk collect all the phones before hand and will toss out anyone who sneaks one in.

  • July 24, 2010 8:32 PM CST

    What can one say?

    by Kobaal

    Instant masterpiece. It makes the other blockbusters of recent years look poor indeed. All Hail Nolan!

    More of this please, Hollywood.

  • July 26, 2010 10:23 PM CST

    SCARLET... answer to your Q's ( major spoilers )

    by MurderMostFowl

    OK here's my opinion on your questios:

    Not creative enough illusions, yes you've got that one dead on... you don't want to piss off the subconscious of the actual dreamer ( as we saw in the learning exercises ), though some creativity is ok obviously

    The 3rd level at the base in the snow was the dreamers creation though?

    Remember it's a shared dream, but that Fisher was the "host subconscious" for the lower layer... the architect still creates the dream world framework ( Ellen Page, remember she knew th layout of the building and the trees and mountain area )

    Fisher has created the military people though... the maze was supposed to be a basic hospital, I believe.

    Yes, the hotel and all the "mazes" in all the layers were created by the architect. Therea re no loose ends I am aware of.

    Limbo... they didn't break the rules. Saito ( Watanabe ) actually "died" in the snow world layer. Leo, Page and Fisher dove into Fishers own subconscious and while Saito and the other guy kept him "alive" via the defibrillator

    The kick happens in the snow world, and Page jumps out, Fisher sees his Dad and all, and then the kick in the hotel layer goes off and everyone else jumps up to that Layer ( but Saito is dead already so he is in Limbo.) Fisher did not die in that layer.

    Leo decides to stay in his lower layer because he thinks he can find Saito somehow ( the only thign that isn't explained IMHO) but this works too because remember that Leo is the one running the previous layer ( the kidnapping van ) . He is slowly drowning in that layer but he isn't dead yet.
    So time passes for Saito in limbo for dozens of years ( so much so that he can't even hardly remember ) ... why leo doesn't age is not explained here... possibly this is because Saito died in Leo's dream.

    Leo distinctly DOESN'T force Saito into killing himself or letting Leo kill him to bring him out of the real world. He lets Saito figure this out for himself, and bring his own self out of Limbo. Once both of them have accepted the truth, the real dream generator device is tuned off as planned on the airplane flight... tada!

    How they all managed to keep their composure after going through all that is amazing actually.

  • July 28, 2010 8:51 AM CST

    Nolan is more Hitchcock than Kubrick

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Saw Inception. Liked it. Silly as hell and they never did explain how the architect's plans can be put in the dreams. But good anyway. Very Hitchcocky.